Yes i do - cause they where used by a few players only to gank other players !

Yesterday 11 eles where removed by a gm - around 20 min later 3 eles where placed again ! The GM comes back and removed them a 2nd time and those players tried every 10 min to place em again on kama2 rooftop !

This is no joke anymore - this is ganking - and gankin is against BDOs game rules you accepted too !

Logged in early morning today and 1 ele is placed again on rooftop !

So what to do ? Ban those players which dont learn that its not ok parking eles on rooftop ? Or ignore all members of this community which want those elephants removed ? Or find a solution those eles cant be anymore used on "none-node-war" servers ?

My statment is clear and your arguments have no wight atm cause there is no "verteran playerbase" which wants eles on rooftop and a "ritual" placing cannons there too - never seen it in my 4 years bdo and others write same ! 

Was really nice yesterday on rooftop - musicans was playing songs and campfire was up all the time i was on rooftop. Some players was chatting and others "parked" their chars to restore energy - meet a few composers and the GM allows us to use a "ele-free" rooftop! So i dont know why you try to ruin this location for us with 24/7 placed elephants !

I repeat - ganking other players can end in a game ban ! And if those players dont learn the lesson that guild elephants removed by a gm better NOT placed again - this is not my fault ! 

Sorry little Shai, but ganking is in no way against the ToS. I recommend you re-read it.

https://youtu.be/3khS6TShPkk?si=LKFM8mZfRYHexb8X

I wish manup was back. It'd be a sight to behold.

Anyway as for the rest. Again. In theory, there is nothing wrong with having a fun player gathering and chilling and exchanging music. People have done this for ages. What isn't fine is you dictating rules of roleplay to others in a "public space", and disregarding or outright fighting against traditions of the playerbase. Of course 22 elephants is an abnormal number of elephants. Usually there's 1 or 2. But there's 22 because of your absurd behaviour, and there will remain 22 as long as you continue to fight a war against a group of players which frankly have nothing better to do than farm a response from you.

The modern playerbase is an absolute tragedy, as are the changes they've crashed into the game, but the last vets aren't about to leave quietly.

All i wish is a solution from Pearl Abyss !

I dont want to get a "place with a stage for musicans mountfree" cause this will be a boring - players want to stay on this little roof on kama2 cause a nice view in all directions and all vendors and houses nearby ! And players from "example" NA RU and ASEAN servers comes up from time to time to join us on kama2 and share music or play music for us ! I dont want to miss it cause its an international "spot" meanwhile !

Maybe - another option - guild elephants are allowed on servers 1 3 5 and no guild elephants allowed on 2 4 6. 

Would be an easy solution too and you and your "bdo veterans" can choose 1 of 3 servers which you can place your cannons and elephants wherever you want and can use them on events like gm-events to show - we "veterans" have elephants and cannons :-)

-Ganking on this way which its done since months is not allowed. You seen elephants where removed by GMs! There is nothing a "ganked" player can do against those players which place summoned shai with horrible sounds - wagons - or elephants serval time on his/her chars position in a city !

-But you can pvp players on and on if you want - its a pvp game and everyone knows that. Thats game content. Here is a way to evade this cause a char has to be lvl50 to get into pvp situations !

Thats the difference !

Btw.: our opinion is different - but its ok - dont want to miss players like you in this thread. Every opinion counts ! And you have a single role - with same role but other statement i started this thread - so i can understand you very well !

hf@all

Your video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3khS6TShPkk

Nah - all i see in this video is op players gank lower geard grinders and ppl wich travel with their horses to another location or do afk horsetraining and get ripped. Wonderful playerbase which kills every newbie > lvl 50 - if this is the way you want this game for all players you will lose 80% playerbase in a short time. Killing ppl with manos gear - wow "cause you can do it" hey wait wasnt that in the chat last time from an ele-placer ? "cause i can do it" ? ...

You PvP players became alot of things like:

Red Battlefield

Team Match

Arsha Arena

2 Arsha Servers

Node Wars

Solares Arena

Season PvP

But next time you will do it like in this video and be proud to kill afk horsetrainers with manos gear ? Haha beware of that and dont force BDO to put in PVE only servers ! I see it often that many afk horse trainers dead on streets and their pc runs for nothing a night ! What will you have next - killing afk fishers with karake on their spots ? until "your" op playerbase will be the rest of players in BDO ? Sorry this video is crap in my eyes to use it in this thread here - it only shows up a game that not only 1 new player would start cause "no chance" !

Because this entire thread is about a very specific issue, players griefing other players with the elephants

There is no point posting screenshots of gatherings from other areas and then claiming this behaviour with the elephants occurred for years.

In all your examples are they griefing each other? No.

And my argument from the beginning has been that what your group experiences as griefing is something which has been core to the BDO playerbase since it's release.

It has transformed into griefing against you, due to your reactions and apparent ill-will towards such traditions, but, as my anecdote stated, you have yourself to blame for that. Imposing restrictions on others and assuming hostile intentions from first contact is not a way to make friends or build understanding for your group.

Not true, elephants were never used in such a manner.

Again you assume that I have done something wrong, I haven't and many players that use this spot simply be there, play music and that's it.

Where this hostile "intent" originates from is purely your own experience.

Regardless of what other players have done, it is not the right attitude to grief and impact other players that simply want to be at a location without being harassed. Your whole approach on this subject is wrong and it appears you are trying to defend the griefers or justify their actions as the result of your own experiences, which suggests someone has offended them, which is a very one sided view.

Please consider the bigger picture, the vast majority of players are completely innocent to any wrong doing and are simply being griefed by elephants for no reason. Do not assume that 1 shai playing music insulted someone else so all shai's playing music are the same or that everyone using the roof is somehow all in a "cult".

I don't see why some players could gather to make music on a rooftop, but some others could not gather with elephants on a rooftop too. 

Both are player-made events, why should one of them prevail against the other and waste GMs time? Let them do their job and settle your little conflict by yourself. 

Hello, 

Unfortunately this is not what was happening. If you check the previous posts the issue is that the elephants were used to harass a group of players. They moved away from the roof and the elephants followed.

"Player hotspot"

Oh gosh darnit you'll have to find another spot to pretend you're afk whilst staring at your borderline underaged half naked female characters

Oh woest me whatever shall we do, the sun on on the roof just hits the perfect angle to allow Kibelius to be transparent so you can gaze upon the supple milkers of your waifu

Those dreaded elephants ruining your favourite ERP spot, the roof is the perfect spot with the subtle undertones of chickens chimes together so well with your manly fluttery breathing on your discord call with your favourite discord mod.

How could this be?! Where is the Justice?! Why hath the lord forsaken you?!

(Get a grip.)