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#Gameplay_General
BDO is bad for casuals
Mar 26, 2021, 20:40 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Apr 1, 2021, 13:12 (UTC)
# 81
On: Mar 26, 2021, 20:40 (UTC), Written by Myrtus

I play since the beggining quiting a few times. Season and tuvalas are great for new players to learn the game and enchants. But meanwhile ppl are grinding high end spots making 400M an hour. People at intermediate levels can't benefit from season or high end spots leaving us in the purgatory. Enchanting system is also unfair making only 5% lucky ppl benefit. Maybe im frustated i grind a whole week for the potion and didnt drop a piece and broke 4 tri ogre rings making me a noob due poor luck. I feel im two years of grind behind. Maybe i need to afk fish all year or just quit the game entirely.

My dude, it takes some people months to get one potion piece... (Specifically it took me a month an a half grinding 6-8 hours a day at sherekhan to get just one pot piece) you're going into this with the wrong mindset that "things will happen in a short period of time". Also, don't enhance accessories. 90% of the time, it's WAY more cost effective to buy them. Get some Oasis gear, go grind Blood Wolves for two months and buy your tets. 

Last Edit : Apr 2, 2021, 06:38 (UTC)
# 82
On: Mar 31, 2021, 13:25 (UTC), Written by Vulpin

No offense but you other post is meaningless. Your claiming you can make 51B in 7 days but aren't telling how that possible. Ya no offense but gotta call BS on that claim, if people could even make 1/4 that amount per week than everyone would be sitting in full PEN weapons an armor in a month an full PEN everything in a year. So ya only way that possible is being RNG carried but we can't all shit out PENs like a factory if we could everyone be in full PEN by now.

I will start stream today and I will show You. Poor pople cant even look proper on numbers. 

Last Edit : Apr 2, 2021, 08:57 (UTC)
# 83
On: Apr 1, 2021, 13:06 (UTC), Written by Vulpin

What I quoted is how much I read. You already helped destroy this thread Simley 2 with Simley 1. Go find the next one to destroy it all your good at.

Says the guy switching any topic into a drama as soon as he is proven wrong.

You're hurting these forums way more than me, you know?

Well, whatever...

 

 

 

On topic, in BDO if you're casual you can still access to high-end content with time, there's no restriction. But by the time needed to reach this content, will it still be high-end content?

 

Hystria used to be a dangerous place for geared people, now it is a walk in the park. Still, it is more or less the same Hystria than before, right?

Casual can access the same content than more invested players, but they'll stay one step late in most content. Is that really illogical?

In addition, there are still some mechanics which reduces the gap, aka restricted tier 1 NW.

 

 

So short story, there's plenty of things to do for casuals, at their own pace and they're welcome. But no, they won't be able to challenge the most hardcore players nor even a regular dedicated player in a short span of time. 

Last Edit : Apr 2, 2021, 09:09 (UTC)
# 84
On: Mar 26, 2021, 20:44 (UTC), Written by PootyPoot

the next piece upgrade for low geared players costs maybe what, 2 billion at most per piece?

 

the next piece upgrade for me cost at least 70billions, that's the cheapest piece for me to replace 

 

afk fishing doesn't make you any money, only do it if you are going for mystical fish for the God of Fishing title

this game isn't afk friendly like it was once before, with manos processing, there is no reason to leave the game on overnight anymore.

 

If you don't enjoy actively playing it then it's not a game for you, it's a repetitive progression based MMO, not your typical WOW afk in town 5mins a day and do dungeons for an hour a month kind of game

 

The game isn't bad for casuals neither, a casual player would just run around wear costumes and RP with others

The casuals you are referring to are probably the ones who don't want to put in the time to get gear but still want to compete with others who do put in the game.

2 billion is not cheap... for 2 billion u get any t8 courser even with maxed skills. for 2 billion u can style your house like crazy, for 2 billion you can buy worker/pet food for the next 10 years.

 

People always act like people play the game for decade... if i check my friendlist and steam... most people spend maybe 100-300 (3-4 weeks) hours on the game and then swap to different game. only a small amount of people get "hooked" and play bdo 24/7.

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Last Edit : Apr 3, 2021, 17:25 (UTC)
# 86
On: Apr 3, 2021, 17:10 (UTC), Written by Eriane

 

This is why I don't bother. I could learn 16 new languages in the time it takes to PEN everything. I'd rather do something productive with my life than that. So in those regards I'm what people would consider a "casual" player. I just glam my shai and play lifeskills. Occasionally grind and enjoy the game for what it is. I took it seriously when the game came out and I hated the game only a couple of months later. I recently came back with a fresh outlook on it and just being at peace with the fact that I won't be the best or near the best is soothing.

I agree with you and will like to add one thing: gameplay wise nothing really change that much.

Last Edit : Apr 3, 2021, 19:55 (UTC)
# 87
On: Mar 27, 2021, 01:54 (UTC), Written by Prokaizer

 

To tell you the truth, there is no difference between being level 1 and being 600gs 62 level player.

As to why it is because you will always end up getting 1 shotted from a super geared players, "even" in FW state or in SA (if you play Maehwa like i do).

 

Be it open world or RBF, you will always get rekted in PvP due to the major gear differences (AP brackets - DP brackets), the 1.000+ euro GPU cards who can hit up to 300 FPS and make x2 times the DPS you make with your 120 FPS and let's not forget the the super high upload speed with zero delay on their Grab skills.

 

Yeah this 100% encapsulates why I'll never try to PvP in this game ever again and will probably just sit on a Boat for the rest of my days...(b/c it's a lot harder to 1-shot someone's blue-Geared Boat before they can switch channels)

 

  Also not Specified but 100% part of it, was how YEARS AGO pearl abyss fundamentally changed the AP scaling system to have Exponential damage increases the higher you were in AP.  So for instance I was 275 DP and 225 AP back then, my friend with just 20 more AP than me and 300 DP would literally 2-shot me, while it took 10 of my strongest Spells to get him down to 10% HP.  Same class, same exact Boss Gears and Skills almost.

 

This was intended behavior infact if you read through their Patch Data close enough!  ... Not a huge difference in raw numbers at all, but because he had TRI accessories and I only had Duo, I'd get melted instantly because the AP scaling differences between players specifically adds Damage Resistance in its hidden Combat calculations.   Most people probably still don't realize this....  but it's why those lucky Jerkholes with Pen Ogres or whatever will always be able to just run around winning 10v1's against players who may only have 10-15 less AP than them.   NO OTHER GAME DOES THIS.   There isn't a single PvP game on the market you can point to that tips the scales so dramatically on such tiny number disparities between players who both probably played exactly the same amount of hours or in some cases played a lot More hours than the Pay-to-Win person who's insta-killing them

Last Edit : Apr 9, 2021, 18:24 (UTC)
# 88
On: Mar 26, 2021, 20:40 (UTC), Written by Myrtus

I play since the beggining quiting a few times. Season and tuvalas are great for new players to learn the game and enchants. But meanwhile ppl are grinding high end spots making 400M an hour. People at intermediate levels can't benefit from season or high end spots leaving us in the purgatory. Enchanting system is also unfair making only 5% lucky ppl benefit. Maybe im frustated i grind a whole week for the potion and didnt drop a piece and broke 4 tri ogre rings making me a noob due poor luck. I feel im two years of grind behind. Maybe i need to afk fish all year or just quit the game entirely.

Well..I agree and disagree with the title because I am a pretty damn hardcore casual. I was kicked out from my old guild for being TOO laid back. I have quit the game many times over the years. I use to be hardcore I played the game earlier than most people who only started playing the game when it came to NA/EU servers. When I was playing on those other servers all I focused on was leveling and upgrading things without any focus on story because I didn't understand it since I'm a foreigner. It was the same case for Moonlight Blade Online, my intention when I played was to just kill things and see how good the game is-I expected to get into the story later when I can actually understand the language but it never came to the US.

 

Back to BDO, when it was released locally I started to focus more on story and only found out that it sucks. The development sucks, the narrating sucks, it's a MMORPG main story scenario nightmare. I come from games like FFXIV, GW2, and BNS which is big on story. BDO does not deliver the same type of quality story presentation like those three games. At some point after being turned off by the disjointed story gameplay I became a lifeskiller and only started investing my time micromanaging my deliveries and making crates to sell in Valencia. So all I did was craft things, cook things, make drugs, and travel east to sell to the merchants while offering beer as compensation to my devoted "employees". I actually like doing things this way because I didn't have to kill people for being retarded which usually end up with some full blown guild war and that would take up even more time. I have time to spend with my girlfriend instead of staying stuck to the monitor. I can play sports and or just hange out in general but most importantly..I can have my ranger cooking things when I'm playing my main games like FFXIV or GW2.

 

So what I'm saying is..it really depends on what you find value in this game. For me being casual means that I'm not fully invested in the game to progress my character-which is the usual definition in the context of gaming. This means that I don't care if someone get PENs or the next top tier equipments or is a god level pvper. I really don't care...because..I'm a casual. I have better things to worry about like..catching all my fishes to turn into Abelin to get the next 3 set of tripple float fishing rods so I can have an endless supply of HQ rods to use in the Koi Event-----WHILE watching some good dramas or continuing my journey in FFXIV or BNS.


However after saying all that..I agree with you on one thing and thats the season pass feature. It's stupid. You can only use them on a character is just created. It's a stupid business model that made me not become a normal gamer for BDO and instead become an AFKER. They want you to make a new account so that you can use the pass on that character.

Last Edit : Apr 9, 2021, 20:25 (UTC)
# 89
On: Mar 31, 2021, 15:34 (UTC), Written by Vulpin

 Your ability to clear end game content shouldn't be about play style it should be about player skill. 

I don't understand this statement. BDO is an RPG where a level 1 character is helpless and a level 66 player with PEN gear is godlike. You gotta progress thru gear to do things that require gear, that's the whole course of the whole game from the first second you ever log in until the end.   No lvl 1 character no matter how skillful the player piloting that character, can kill enemies in Ash Forest. but a 700GS character, even with a poorly-skilled player at the controls, can kill mosnters in Ash Forest. It's a gear grind, fundamentally. 

 

Why would you say that BDO end game should instead be about player skill? For that scenario to become true the end-game would have to be gear-agnostic, and in this game so little and so few content is gear-agnostic, the core of this game is to grind for improved power, for it to be changed to be otherwise, it wouldn't be BDO anymore that'd be the identity of a completely different game that simply isn't BDO... It would be far easier to just find fulfillment in a different existing game than to try to mold BDO into that game. 

 

BDO is a treadmill that goes nowhere man, you grind for better gear so that you can grind better, so that you can grind for better gear -- on loop eternally. If you like it: great, but if you don't like it, just find another game I don't know how to say that in a polite non-toxic way I just don't think you'd find fulfillment here in this infinite grind for character power if what you want is something skill-first gear-second instead. 

Last Edit : Apr 9, 2021, 20:39 (UTC)
# 90
On: Apr 9, 2021, 20:25 (UTC), Written by Veltas

I don't understand this statement. BDO is an RPG where a level 1 character is helpless and a level 66 player with PEN gear is godlike. You gotta progress thru gear to do things that require gear, that's the whole course of the whole game from the first second you ever log in until the end.   No lvl 1 character no matter how skillful the player piloting that character, can kill enemies in Ash Forest. but a 700GS character, even with a poorly-skilled player at the controls, can kill mosnters in Ash Forest. It's a gear grind, fundamentally. 

 

Why would you say that BDO end game should instead be about player skill? For that scenario to become true the end-game would have to be gear-agnostic, and in this game so little and so few content is gear-agnostic, the core of this game is to grind for improved power, for it to be changed to be otherwise, it wouldn't be BDO anymore that'd be the identity of a completely different game that simply isn't BDO... It would be far easier to just find fulfillment in a different existing game than to try to mold BDO into that game. 

 

BDO is a treadmill that goes nowhere man, you grind for better gear so that you can grind better, so that you can grind for better gear -- on loop eternally. If you like it: great, but if you don't like it, just find another game I don't know how to say that in a polite non-toxic way I just don't think you'd find fulfillment here in this infinite grind for character power if what you want is something skill-first gear-second instead. 

If that was the actual intent of the game and everyone followed it, it would be substantially better.  However, Pearl Abyss makes billions from people paying to avoid everything you stated.  Or at the very least substantially increasing the rate.

 

Additionally, some things are simply so time consuming, distorted, and boring they make a mockery of the game.  Wasting 400+ hours for an infinite potion for example seems like a waste of a game.  The problem is that those 400+ hours WON'T BE ENJOYABLE.  Not all in the same way that seeing 400 hours of progression by grinding daily, bartering, life skilling etc will be.

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