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#Suggestions #Community Support
Make The T10 Failstacks Retroactive
Jul 14, 2023, 06:16 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jul 14, 2023, 12:12 (UTC)
# 11

Would love to see this implemented! I think there should be some to give to those who have stuck by T10 content throughout all these years! You don't want to make the people who are the /most/ invested into this content  the ones who feel the most cheated out of a (imo) good and healthy change for the game.

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Last Edit : Jul 14, 2023, 12:21 (UTC)
# 12

At the very least for thsoe who have no T10 but have tapped. +1

Last Edit : Jul 14, 2023, 12:23 (UTC)
# 13
On: Jul 14, 2023, 07:51 (UTC), Written by Zerv

Hopefully this type of information(counter) was being saved on every T9 dream horse. Like on how many T10 attempts they have been involved with. Since attempts need 2 different horses.

They almost certainly haven't tracked this.

Last Edit : Jul 14, 2023, 12:29 (UTC)
# 14

Has someone who has a years worth of fails behind her the lack of retroactive fails killed my motivation not gonna lie. I feel like i worked and struggled and spent billions with nothing to show for. 

Last Edit : Jul 14, 2023, 12:30 (UTC)
# 15
On: Jul 14, 2023, 07:51 (UTC), Written by Zerv

Hopefully this type of information(counter) was being saved on every T9 dream horse. Like on how many T10 attempts they have been involved with. Since attempts need 2 different horses.

They would go by the amount of Mythical Censers the person has created and consumed, since the failstacks for T10 attempts are applied across the family, and not tied to a specific horse.

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Last Edit : Jul 14, 2023, 12:33 (UTC)
# 16

Whoever made the decision not to compensate those of us who have spent literal years doing daily quests for naught, well they clearly don't give a sh*t about those players.

Sometimes playing this game feels like an abusive relationship.

Last Edit : Jul 14, 2023, 13:00 (UTC)
# 17
On: Jul 14, 2023, 06:16 (UTC), Written by Kurosity

Family Name:  Kurosity

Region (NA/EU): NA

Suggestions/Comments: 


Why:
it's harsh to ask those who have dedicated hundred of hours to horses in addition to failing for roughly two years to start at day 1 with people who have not touched horse content. 

I believe it's important to recognize that many of us asking this do not want people to suffer unnecessarily. 

we ask you to please think of those still struggling too, not just the future strugglers.

Responding in order to these. 

It's not harsh. The belief that it is stems from entitlement, this sense that you are entitled to more than new players simply by reason of having played or done something longer. But everyone who tapped previously did so knowing there was no system, knowing that it could be made easier or more accessible in the future. They tapped anyways with the existing system, because they didn't want to wait. Simply, they gambled, and now that the odds are being made easier they are demanding that all previous gambles and losses reward them. I'd argue that's just as unfair to new tappers as it is to old. After all, you could have succeeded. And the benefits to your success would be showing off and using it months to years before anyone else. 

Who is suffering? Are old tappers being punished because their gambles didn't win previously? Will they suffer going forward because they'll now have better chances?

If the fs system were not being implemented, you would still start in the exact same place as anyone doing their first tap. Why is it any different now? Isn't the fact that everyone will get failstacks being considerate of players still struggling? 

Your arguments for retroactive fs are flawed and based solely in this belief that you're entitled to more than new players. But you explicitly chose to participate in a gambling system that treats every player the same. After fs you can still tap another 60 times before getting your t10, and a first time tapper can get it on their third try. Is the game still being unfair to you? No. It's gambling. Either participate knowing you aren't entitled to a faster success than someone else or don't participate. 

I'm well aware I'll get downvotes in here for this, but it needs to be said. People don't like hearing ration counters to emotional appeals. 

Last Edit : Jul 14, 2023, 13:05 (UTC)
# 18

As a few other users have mentioned, I'm not sure if PA ever kept a log of t10 attempts. Seeing as it was just a flat rate of 3.0% I honestly doubt it. They've been improving the game and lowering the entry bar for newer players for a significant amount of time. Ex. the lvl cap, season, potion pity, potion on market, free t9 horse and fs for t10. There is just small "compensations" for older players like titles or a name on something. I doubt they'll implement retroactive, it would be nice, just from an older player, it'll never be.

Last Edit : Jul 14, 2023, 13:26 (UTC)
# 19
On: Jul 14, 2023, 12:35 (UTC), Written by Deleastre

Who is suffering? Are old tappers being punished because their gambles didn't win previously? Will they suffer going forward because they'll now have better chances?

If the fs system were not being implemented, you would still start in the exact same place as anyone doing their first tap. Why is it any different now? Isn't the fact that everyone will get failstacks being considerate of players still struggling? 


One thing regarding this - there are a lot of people who got lucky with the first two t10 and just could save up a ton of taps for release. All of them will most certainly be able to get the horse within the first hours because they had the luxury to save up clicks. The others used them because PA communicated loud and clear in the past that they won't add fs to t10. So they're sitting there with nothing to show for, because they already used their taps without fs and got really unlucky compared to the lucky ones who still have their taps available now and will just get the Doom day one.

It's not even about new players. I agree that for them it doesn't really make a difference (even compared to our failing veterans). They will do their 5-10 taps they managed to get (if at all) and either get lucky or not. Like they did pre fs. Bdo has always been a lottery.

That said, it just sucks that people invested in the training lifeskill get no bonus for t9/t10 at all. But this is a story for another day...

Last Edit : Jul 14, 2023, 14:21 (UTC)
# 20
On: Jul 14, 2023, 12:35 (UTC), Written by Deleastre

Responding in order to these. 

It's not harsh. The belief that it is stems from entitlement, this sense that you are entitled to more than new players simply by reason of having played or done something longer. But everyone who tapped previously did so knowing there was no system, knowing that it could be made easier or more accessible in the future. They tapped anyways with the existing system, because they didn't want to wait. Simply, they gambled, and now that the odds are being made easier they are demanding that all previous gambles and losses reward them. I'd argue that's just as unfair to new tappers as it is to old. After all, you could have succeeded. And the benefits to your success would be showing off and using it months to years before anyone else. 

Who is suffering? Are old tappers being punished because their gambles didn't win previously? Will they suffer going forward because they'll now have better chances?

If the fs system were not being implemented, you would still start in the exact same place as anyone doing their first tap. Why is it any different now? Isn't the fact that everyone will get failstacks being considerate of players still struggling? 

Your arguments for retroactive fs are flawed and based solely in this belief that you're entitled to more than new players. But you explicitly chose to participate in a gambling system that treats every player the same. After fs you can still tap another 60 times before getting your t10, and a first time tapper can get it on their third try. Is the game still being unfair to you? No. It's gambling. Either participate knowing you aren't entitled to a faster success than someone else or don't participate. 

I'm well aware I'll get downvotes in here for this, but it needs to be said. People don't like hearing ration counters to emotional appeals. 

You need to get off the high horse and stop thinking of your opinion as an objective "rational" counter lol.

Are you seriously suggesting it's the players' fault they didn't hold their taps indefinitely for a system like this to come out? Would you wait for years to tap your horse without any clue we would be getting FS on t10s? After PA has said before that there wouldn't be any FS system planned? How does that make sense?

It isn't entitled for people who were putting effort into their t10 taps to want this change. Frankly, it is deserved as they've already suffered the time and money for their attempts.  How can you possibly think that this is unfair to new players when they haven't put in the months or years of effort to get the materials? What effect does this have on those who've just started tapping?

Do I think that PA will implement this? No. I don't think they even logged these numbers. But it feels defeating for t10 attempters prior to this update because they have nothing to show for it. So I can understand why people are upset and want some kind of compensation. Especially those who have failed 50+ times, the FS system would have been a substantial increase--that could be a 5-10% increase depending on how they scale the FS. It's natural for players to feel somewhat robbed.

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