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DR Buff when?
Jul 18, 2023, 04:03 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jul 23, 2023, 19:41 (UTC)
# 51
On: Jul 18, 2023, 04:03 (UTC), Written by Girask

in view of that PA I delete not only the comments but the entire publication and they already go 9 times that it does. Why are you so interested in silencing the issue of DR vs evasion? it is as if PA hides something or strives to make players support evasion for them to earn more money, since the most played classes currently and the most goals in pvp are EVASION. What a coincidence, right?  Here I will leave some examples

This GS will not allow you to tank as they do the evasion in massive but at least you can have a chance to heal or leave




This other is the one I currently have and I can say with absolute basis from my own experience that in massive I have not even taken out the weapon and I am already dead. When I have seen evasions leave them AFK in the middle of a massive GVG of more than 40 people




Why does it cost so much for DR's voice to be heard? Why do they keep saying that DR is broken when the truth is as clear as water? Even in the sun today I still hear people say that DR is rubbish and they are not just any people. They are people with more than 740 gs.  When they go down from the clouds to evasion users who abuse a mechanism that is clearly extremely broken. not to mention that dr build is ASTRONOMICALLY expensive.  why do I say so? Here I step to leave another example


Example: 
You want to be a tank in a massive? Then you need this minimum. that if, say goodbye to all your damage



What build does an evasion user need to highlight or kill a DR end game user?


this is all it takes for an evasion user to counter any DR user to anyone and I'm not exaggerating when I say any DR user
Use a berserker as an example. But use a striker or mistyc or hashashin and we'll see the difference.

PD: For those who want to be funny or know everything. If you are going to object to my reasoning, do it intelligently with evidence or at least with common sense and valid arguments. Don't just write like monkeys what you believe


THANK YOU.

All these down votes you got from evasion players, lol.

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Last Edit : Jul 23, 2023, 21:01 (UTC)
# 52
On: Jul 23, 2023, 19:41 (UTC), Written by Graugus

All these down votes you got from evasion players, lol.

43 vs 43 hahaha  The problem is not that they lie to themselves that evasion is not broken. The real problem here is that they believe their own lies. There's nothing wrong with admitting that you earn a 1v1 RRP thanks to your evasion. Of course not everything is evasion you also need hands, but you need more evasion than hands. Do you know how many times I have thrown someone to the floor and I have made a combo with Reset CC and I only lower 10% life? even me having 316 from ap haha is absolutely crazy.  then comes this young Titanwar to tell me that the berseker is very, very broken when not even for pvp 1v1 serves. In Masivo it defends itself quite well. But take a Zerker without GS to a massive to see how it goes XD  I'll still let them lie to themselves that their EVASION junk isn't broken

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Last Edit : Jul 23, 2023, 21:47 (UTC)
# 54
On: Jul 23, 2023, 21:01 (UTC), Written by Girask

43 vs 43 hahaha  The problem is not that they lie to themselves that evasion is not broken. The real problem here is that they believe their own lies. There's nothing wrong with admitting that you earn a 1v1 RRP thanks to your evasion. Of course not everything is evasion you also need hands, but you need more evasion than hands. Do you know how many times I have thrown someone to the floor and I have made a combo with Reset CC and I only lower 10% life? even me having 316 from ap haha is absolutely crazy.  then comes this young Titanwar to tell me that the berseker is very, very broken when not even for pvp 1v1 serves. In Masivo it defends itself quite well. But take a Zerker without GS to a massive to see how it goes XD  I'll still let them lie to themselves that their EVASION junk isn't broken

change accesory to accuracy and u will kill him. AP counter DR/ Accuracy counter evasion. I can wear 133x evasion ( but I have around 25X AP so my dmg is very low) build on ninja and even this will not help me against succ sage I am die instantly. In your first post u probably showed your gear ( I guess people usually do that) how much accuracy and accuracy rate with addons and prebuffs u have ? Well thing that u die on one combo well.. I have 277 AP on my main build with 1260 eva. and it's really hard to kill properly geared DR player on one combo. You can't demand to counter evasion build and have 0 accuracy accesories... Rangers, Archers usually almost oneshots me on RBFs. Start playing evasion build and u will see and understand that it's not so OP, ok it's OP against players who play full AP because it negates their whole dmg, but if someone change their accesories to accuracy well it's not OP any longer and you become squisher than your DR.

Last Edit : Jul 23, 2023, 23:10 (UTC)
# 55
On: Jul 23, 2023, 21:01 (UTC), Written by Girask

43 vs 43 hahaha  The problem is not that they lie to themselves that evasion is not broken. The real problem here is that they believe their own lies. There's nothing wrong with admitting that you earn a 1v1 RRP thanks to your evasion. Of course not everything is evasion you also need hands, but you need more evasion than hands. Do you know how many times I have thrown someone to the floor and I have made a combo with Reset CC and I only lower 10% life? even me having 316 from ap haha is absolutely crazy.  then comes this young Titanwar to tell me that the berseker is very, very broken when not even for pvp 1v1 serves. In Masivo it defends itself quite well. But take a Zerker without GS to a massive to see how it goes XD  I'll still let them lie to themselves that their EVASION junk isn't broken

"lies" this guy. Zerk is broken.

Remember you said awaken kuno is busted  i wonder whose that delusional. Everyone in bdo knows awaken kuno isnt in a great spot for pve and any thing outside 1v1 bruh we also got nerfed in 1v1 so we are below average everywhere rn. On top you think a kuno could spin to win a group an kill them all well getting out alive . zerk litterally can do that on succ. Kuno has a gap at the start of spin an its SA on top. Your going to get grabbed theough spin if you did that well also being one shot before even getting that spin off. Eitherway the damage that was on spin aka the flow was removed. So your claim of spin being broken has already been proven to be false well also i showed you it isnt the skill that does the most damage in the kit an even people showed you with less ap doing more damage than my 12 skills did to you.

Girask you havent seen high end pvp but claim you have , you lied saying you have done siege and nodewar that you seen kunos spinning whole balls an bs.

1k acc vs 1400 eva wonder what gets one shot. 900 acc which is ez asf to get counters up to 1300eva on certian class most classes can destroy 1255 in less than a combo. Also you have no idea how to build evasion. If you did you would build it an realize your incredibly mistaken on how it works. An you would also know DR at the high end when someone with a brain builds it actually works.

Last Edit : Jul 24, 2023, 01:30 (UTC)
# 56
On: Jul 23, 2023, 23:07 (UTC), Written by TitanOfWar

"lies" this guy. Zerk is broken.

Remember you said awaken kuno is busted  i wonder whose that delusional. Everyone in bdo knows awaken kuno isnt in a great spot for pve and any thing outside 1v1 bruh we also got nerfed in 1v1 so we are below average everywhere rn. On top you think a kuno could spin to win a group an kill them all well getting out alive . zerk litterally can do that on succ. Kuno has a gap at the start of spin an its SA on top. Your going to get grabbed theough spin if you did that well also being one shot before even getting that spin off. Eitherway the damage that was on spin aka the flow was removed. So your claim of spin being broken has already been proven to be false well also i showed you it isnt the skill that does the most damage in the kit an even people showed you with less ap doing more damage than my 12 skills did to you.

Girask you havent seen high end pvp but claim you have , you lied saying you have done siege and nodewar that you seen kunos spinning whole balls an bs.

1k acc vs 1400 eva wonder what gets one shot. 900 acc which is ez asf to get counters up to 1300eva on certian class most classes can destroy 1255 in less than a combo. Also you have no idea how to build evasion. If you did you would build it an realize your incredibly mistaken on how it works. An you would also know DR at the high end when someone with a brain builds it actually works.

without wanting to tell you anything else. As I told you go back to your post and keep fighting for your Buff Kuno cause. 

Last Edit : Jul 24, 2023, 07:44 (UTC)
# 57

All you ever do is link garmoth planner links/ screenshots but never show your actual ingame gear (+crystals, +artifacts/lightstones). 

You're claiming to be soooo endgame geared but never provide proof for either your gear or clips of how unfair evasion is. Yet you're always requesting proof from others. 

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Last Edit : Jul 24, 2023, 13:20 (UTC)
# 58
On: Jul 24, 2023, 07:44 (UTC), Written by Saeii

All you ever do is link garmoth planner links/ screenshots but never show your actual ingame gear (+crystals, +artifacts/lightstones). 

You're claiming to be soooo endgame geared but never provide proof for either your gear or clips of how unfair evasion is. Yet you're always requesting proof from others. 

Do you really say that when I already put 2 videos doing damage test?  You have to know how to read everything from the beginning or easily a discussion can go out of context.

626 DR
451 DP
I can raise the DP more but that would totally kill the AP which is already quite low at this time to maintain 626 DR.  the only way would be to have a PEN deboreka and a PEN belt to be able to reach much higher levels of ap and maintain DR I would say. Therefore a very expensive build and even so it will not even reach the feet to the evasion in terms of defenses

Last Edit : Jul 24, 2023, 16:59 (UTC)
# 59

Wow what in crap happened in a few days look guys I tried saying this in earlier posts but you guys have information and the way you discuss it completely wrong.

If you have never read anything from Bigandshiny even after all these years it is still absolutely relevant.

If you have time read this it will start to help.

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1rUH18hgXH0EZLDar6GgexjbCWuRaGsmb5dU8xQ8yrtU/mobilebasic?pli=1

This helps explain exactly what I was stating in my previous posts. DR Is not a purpose built "Tank" build it is purpose built for offence I.E. Ap/accuracy.

In the above dissertation you see things like this.

Again 3 to 6 years ago Bigandshiny did all the testing as well as posted his methodology. This was pure science and math driven.

So you guys coming in here posting YAH BUT I have a Kuno OR YAH BUT ranger did this..

Pretty much pointless unless you start to understand what in the hell you are talking about.

 

And again paraphrasing B&S

As I stated in previous post SOME classes due to there evasion passives and skill buffs can take better advantage of evasion than other classes BUT that being said those skill buffs have a duration limit when used with the exception of a 10% evasion passive. ALL CLASSES CAN USE EVASION and be successful especially if your DR on your evasion build passes 360+ dr.

The scaling needed for you to completely negate damage as a DR build is not obtainable currently in game EVEN with a DR pure black stone. Regardless of a DR buff in game you will never obtain what your looking for obviously buffing Dr would technically make Evasion stronger. 

Dr is ment for OFFENCE and those of you attempting to be a tank and 1 shot kill will have to choose between damage at X AP i.e. 340ap or some <------ making a BIG reference at SOME survivability beouse in the end a evasion player can also obtain 323 ap with kutum or 309ap with an evasion offhand and they WILL hit you 100% of the time meaning to survive you will have to do one of a few things.

#1 Decrease ap to the point that you hit like a wet noodle becouse your choosing DR accesories to "tank" damage that you were NOT ment to. 

#2 start to understand that evasion is not an evil word and that to be able to take hits you need to have some evasion in your build.

#3 Start to understand what these builds represent and allow you to do and be realistic in your goals. This game is not 7 years ago were if you were full Tet you were a GOD cuz players simply couldn't get the gear. Being a noob killer for some people was fun.

Today it is not uncommon to see 323 ap nouver or 309 kutum so the damage is there.

In closing as I have stated I previous threads DR IS NOT A TANK BUILD it is an OFFENCE built for such in intent and purpose. ADD ACCURACY to a DR build then go mess with evasion.

But if your dropping narcs,valtera, eye of ruins or ranoros rings with ogre ring on a nouver and wonder why your getting deleted "cuz yah know extra HP conquers all right?!?!" Other than adding in one more skill to a CC chain your still dead. You are COMPLETELY miss understanding the build and what it is for.

Last Edit : Jul 24, 2023, 23:49 (UTC)
# 60
On: Jul 24, 2023, 15:52 (UTC), Written by ReconKangas

Wow what in crap happened in a few days look guys I tried saying this in earlier posts but you guys have information and the way you discuss it completely wrong.

If you have never read anything from Bigandshiny even after all these years it is still absolutely relevant.

If you have time read this it will start to help.

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1rUH18hgXH0EZLDar6GgexjbCWuRaGsmb5dU8xQ8yrtU/mobilebasic?pli=1

This helps explain exactly what I was stating in my previous posts. DR Is not a purpose built "Tank" build it is purpose built for offence I.E. Ap/accuracy.

In the above dissertation you see things like this.

Again 3 to 6 years ago Bigandshiny did all the testing as well as posted his methodology. This was pure science and math driven.

So you guys coming in here posting YAH BUT I have a Kuno OR YAH BUT ranger did this..

Pretty much pointless unless you start to understand what in the hell you are talking about.

 

And again paraphrasing B&S

As I stated in previous post SOME classes due to there evasion passives and skill buffs can take better advantage of evasion than other classes BUT that being said those skill buffs have a duration limit when used with the exception of a 10% evasion passive. ALL CLASSES CAN USE EVASION and be successful especially if your DR on your evasion build passes 360+ dr.

The scaling needed for you to completely negate damage as a DR build is not obtainable currently in game EVEN with a DR pure black stone. Regardless of a DR buff in game you will never obtain what your looking for obviously buffing Dr would technically make Evasion stronger. 

Dr is ment for OFFENCE and those of you attempting to be a tank and 1 shot kill will have to choose between damage at X AP i.e. 340ap or some <------ making a BIG reference at SOME survivability beouse in the end a evasion player can also obtain 323 ap with kutum or 309ap with an evasion offhand and they WILL hit you 100% of the time meaning to survive you will have to do one of a few things.

#1 Decrease ap to the point that you hit like a wet noodle becouse your choosing DR accesories to "tank" damage that you were NOT ment to. 

#2 start to understand that evasion is not an evil word and that to be able to take hits you need to have some evasion in your build.

#3 Start to understand what these builds represent and allow you to do and be realistic in your goals. This game is not 7 years ago were if you were full Tet you were a GOD cuz players simply couldn't get the gear. Being a noob killer for some people was fun.

Today it is not uncommon to see 323 ap nouver or 309 kutum so the damage is there.

In closing as I have stated I previous threads DR IS NOT A TANK BUILD it is an OFFENCE built for such in intent and purpose. ADD ACCURACY to a DR build then go mess with evasion.

But if your dropping narcs,valtera, eye of ruins or ranoros rings with ogre ring on a nouver and wonder why your getting deleted "cuz yah know extra HP conquers all right?!?!" Other than adding in one more skill to a CC chain your still dead. You are COMPLETELY miss understanding the build and what it is for.

Its pointless giving him facts as he doesnt understand bdos combat system let alone dr vs eva vs acc vs ap

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