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DR Buff when?
Jul 18, 2023, 04:03 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jul 25, 2023, 09:00 (UTC)
# 71
On: Jul 25, 2023, 07:55 (UTC), Written by Girask

The problem is that you have missed the whole debate and reached the end of the conversation. The DR only serves the Warrior and Valk and is only to maintain their shield. Now put the DR to a class that is not those 2 and we will see if you think the same.  Review again when you have almost 650 DR with maintaining 289 AP

I'm not convinced. And I don't see the problem. Also... Why "targeting" my class specifically? :)

Last Edit : Jul 25, 2023, 13:06 (UTC)
# 72
On: Jul 25, 2023, 05:18 (UTC), Written by Girask

Finally in my 5 years playing Black Desert for the first time I find someone with intelligence with whom you can debate a topic as controversial as this. And I want you to know that it's not sarcasm. I'm serious. You just said something that I've always thought about. this game has the roles reversed. the warrior, valk, berseker and nova are not tanks at all. The only thing that makes them tank is their shield. well the berserker has no shield. but the only way to be a tank is to get 650+ of dr. but we already know that I lose absolutely all my damage. unless you have a deboreka pen and a deboreka PEN belt. It's the only way I can get to 650 dr and have decent damage. which becomes an extremely expensive build in the short term. and even so I can give you faith that I am much more killable than an evasion user. Since I am currently up to 676 from dr and a tamer trial, archer no trial, woosa awk can easily kill me. not to mention the ranger.

But you are absolutely right. Here are 2 alternatives 1) wait for PA to do something good for the first time and fix the DR or accommodate the % scaling DMG of the characters or fully accept that the DR will always be inferior to evasion

If you claim you found the 1st person of intelligence to have a debate with???? Based on a fantasy or perception of how lore or YOU beleive this should be!!!!

Great so basically you did not want to know how actual game mechanics work you just wanted to be in some sort of fantasy land bitching becouse PA doesn't pander to your dilusions.

That's pretty much what this is your Delusional about your intelligence and want to fabricate anything to fit the bill. 

What your talking about IS NOT CURRENT BLACK DESERT ONLINE MECHANICS.. it is your version of how you beleive it to be.

All of which again is totally wrong.

Last Edit : Jul 25, 2023, 13:34 (UTC)
# 73

650 dr is nothing too special, it's just your basic dr class base stats, dr gear, dr artifacts, dr lightstones, dr crystals, dr buffs, without dr accessories, without any dr self buff active...

Next point: Certain trials just have big combo damage and there's also trials which can one-combo a basic evasion build.

Next point if you want dr to be buffed there are gonna be people who will be even more unkillable because dr carpets exist. 

I think your main complaint is that awakening zerker isn't tanky and you don't like that. 

https://streamable.com/ynh72n 

https://streamable.com/vnj50s 

https://streamable.com/h1kgd8 

Here you can see valk being absurdly tanky. dr is fine as it is.

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Last Edit : Jul 25, 2023, 19:16 (UTC)
# 74

I dont necessarily think DR needs to be buffed exactly. I do think that there are some pretty big imbalances between DR builds and evasion builds that should be adressed. Specifically its getting harder and harder to fit everything you want in your build

Do i have enough DR/evasion/health to survive.

Do i have enough accuracy to hit other players.

Do I have enough ap to be able to kill dr players.

Its true that you can make a build with enough DR that it feels tanky, those builds usually are giving up a lot of everything else and basically exist as dp memes, just being utility .

Last Edit : Jul 26, 2023, 03:48 (UTC)
# 75
On: Jul 25, 2023, 13:34 (UTC), Written by Saeii

650 dr is nothing too special, it's just your basic dr class base stats, dr gear, dr artifacts, dr lightstones, dr crystals, dr buffs, without dr accessories, without any dr self buff active...

Next point: Certain trials just have big combo damage and there's also trials which can one-combo a basic evasion build.

Next point if you want dr to be buffed there are gonna be people who will be even more unkillable because dr carpets exist. 

I think your main complaint is that awakening zerker isn't tanky and you don't like that. 

https://streamable.com/ynh72n 

https://streamable.com/vnj50s 

https://streamable.com/h1kgd8 

Here you can see valk being absurdly tanky. dr is fine as it is.

until you finally read the publication and saw the part where I get tired of saying that only shield classes receive the DR well.  Specifically talking about the Valk and I see that those 3 videos are from Valk. What a coincidence, right?  but if you know that there are more than 10 additional classes that are DR right? I challenge you to go to Garmoth and put together a build that scales to 650 DR and maintains dmg. so style evasion.


PD: You know what you remember me? People who still believe the Earth is flat. For me all the defenders of evasion remind me of that. to say that evasion is below the DR is as absurd as the above. But how do you convince a flat earther otherwise? exactly, you can't

Last Edit : Jul 26, 2023, 05:16 (UTC)
# 76
On: Jul 25, 2023, 19:50 (UTC), Written by Girask

until you finally read the publication and saw the part where I get tired of saying that only shield classes receive the DR well.  Specifically talking about the Valk and I see that those 3 videos are from Valk. What a coincidence, right?  but if you know that there are more than 10 additional classes that are DR right? I challenge you to go to Garmoth and put together a build that scales to 650 DR and maintains dmg. so style evasion.


PD: You know what you remember me? People who still believe the Earth is flat. For me all the defenders of evasion remind me of that. to say that evasion is below the DR is as absurd as the above. But how do you convince a flat earther otherwise? exactly, you can't

Rather it's only your build. I have 1268 evasion ( Ninja has 20% base evasion rate + 13% prebuffed extra)with 430 DR, 278/422 AP/DP, even full elixirs rottion and skill prebuffed there are people who almost oneshots me or one combo me. Defense in this game sucks at all. BTW with my build I have big troubles to kill valks/succ zerkers high DR on one combo without W+C buff its impossible, so yes once on 3 min IF nobody interupt my combo with random CC I can  one combo DR xd While Drak land among people oneshots bunch of them.

Last Edit : Jul 26, 2023, 05:56 (UTC)
# 77
On: Jul 25, 2023, 19:50 (UTC), Written by Girask

until you finally read the publication and saw the part where I get tired of saying that only shield classes receive the DR well.  Specifically talking about the Valk and I see that those 3 videos are from Valk. What a coincidence, right?  but if you know that there are more than 10 additional classes that are DR right? I challenge you to go to Garmoth and put together a build that scales to 650 DR and maintains dmg. so style evasion.


PD: You know what you remember me? People who still believe the Earth is flat. For me all the defenders of evasion remind me of that. to say that evasion is below the DR is as absurd as the above. But how do you convince a flat earther otherwise? exactly, you can't

Because there's the accuracy to counter it? :) If one has enough accuracy, there won't be a problem with evasion. This is just too much noise about nothing.

And I forgot to mention that warr, valk and nova have DP and HP passives combined that makes them more durable. I am not sure if any other class has them.

Last Edit : Jul 27, 2023, 14:36 (UTC)
# 78
On: Jul 25, 2023, 13:34 (UTC), Written by Saeii

650 dr is nothing too special, it's just your basic dr class base stats, dr gear, dr artifacts, dr lightstones, dr crystals, dr buffs, without dr accessories, without any dr self buff active...

Next point: Certain trials just have big combo damage and there's also trials which can one-combo a basic evasion build.

Next point if you want dr to be buffed there are gonna be people who will be even more unkillable because dr carpets exist. 

I think your main complaint is that awakening zerker isn't tanky and you don't like that. 

https://streamable.com/ynh72n 

https://streamable.com/vnj50s 

https://streamable.com/h1kgd8 

Here you can see valk being absurdly tanky. dr is fine as it is.

it is fine on valk. valk also has advantage via class vs class modifiers on top of its good defensive skill set.

Last Edit : Jul 28, 2023, 04:25 (UTC)
# 79
On: Jul 27, 2023, 14:36 (UTC), Written by WhySoSeeryus

it is fine on valk. valk also has advantage via class vs class modifiers on top of its good defensive skill set.

There the problem. They don't understand. They don't want to understand Dr. Y's problem if Dr is very good when you miraculously reach 700. I've tried it and it's extremely tank. You are not immortal like Evasion but you are quite Tank. Now what they don't want to understand is how you get to DR high without losing everything. Either you're tank or you're dano you can't be both and you can't go hybrid either. If you go hybrid then you won't be tank enough. If you go dano then you will go paper. But they will continue to use the Valk as an excuse and arguments. When I have already said several times that the DR is a garbage except in the Valk.

Last Edit : Jul 28, 2023, 04:38 (UTC)
# 80
On: Jul 25, 2023, 13:04 (UTC), Written by ReconKangas

If you claim you found the 1st person of intelligence to have a debate with???? Based on a fantasy or perception of how lore or YOU beleive this should be!!!!

Great so basically you did not want to know how actual game mechanics work you just wanted to be in some sort of fantasy land bitching becouse PA doesn't pander to your dilusions.

That's pretty much what this is your Delusional about your intelligence and want to fabricate anything to fit the bill. 

What your talking about IS NOT CURRENT BLACK DESERT ONLINE MECHANICS.. it is your version of how you beleive it to be.

All of which again is totally wrong.

Try the DR in any class other than your Valk and after that you will have the right to give any kind of opinion


I have seen Valk with much less gear and much less DR than me endure much more than me. then do not come with your delusions of grandeur to want to tell me that I have tried everything in this game regarding DR that I am wrong. I have repeated it more than 20 times. DR works great as long as you are VALK. Do you understand or do I have to continue explaining as a 1-year-old child?


I don't care if you think the mechanics of the game are like that or otherwise. I don't care. the opinion that I bring here is the opinion that millions of users have and the dissatisfaction that millions have regarding DR in other classes that are not Valk. Then you will not come with airs of greatness to want you looked and knock down a solid argument since I have tried it in its end game stage. to tell me that I am wrong.  Here the DR are Tank and what they do least is fulfill their role as Tank. Evasions are killers and better serve the role of Tank. What can be done counter to evasion? Yes of course yes, with about 400B approximately. You will never, but never see a valk say. the DR needs buff of course not, in fact all the videos that the idiots bring me to prove me wrong are precisely of valk in mass. If after this your empty head does not understand what I am trying to say then I will ignore you in its entirety.

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