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DR Buff when?
Jul 18, 2023, 04:03 (UTC)
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# 31
On: Jul 20, 2023, 06:45 (UTC), Written by Girask

The example is perfect. Because with a trial it is shown even more that the DR is rubbish.

Tbh i have 1320 eva build on my suc ninja and my fight against ranger (if I get CCd) looks the same xd is just one combo. Also 279AP in pvp is something normal you dont need more. Against evasion builds u only swap accesory/offhand for accuracy one. Simple rule Accuracy counter evasion, AP counter DR, if 95% of game population run full AP well then it looks like this. Moreover your build is not DR build wearing only urugon and behg dont make you run DR build, something closer to PvE build.

Last Edit : Jul 20, 2023, 08:01 (UTC)
# 32
On: Jul 20, 2023, 06:43 (UTC), Written by Girask


2) Tamer test

The problem with trials is, that they get "2 sets" of crystals. One from crystal pre sets and one from their gear!

Therefore 279AP on trails is more like 289AP or even more on a real class.

Like I said before: BAD EXAMPLE!

DR is mostly fine, get over it.

PS: Comparing with Tamer lol, she does the best combo damage in the game....

Last Edit : Jul 20, 2023, 08:01 (UTC)
# 33
On: Jul 20, 2023, 07:16 (UTC), Written by Equben

Tbh i have 1320 eva build on my suc ninja and my fight against ranger (if I get CCd) looks the same xd is just one combo. Also 279AP in pvp is something normal you dont need more. Against evasion builds u only swap accesory/offhand for accuracy one. Simple rule Accuracy counter evasion, AP counter DR, if 95% of game population run full AP well then it looks like this. Moreover your build is not DR build wearing only urugon and behg dont make you run DR build, something closer to PvE build.

What are you talking about? I have all the DR crystals and that ranger is trial. If I do not have complete construction that Ranger Trial of 279 should tickle me

Last Edit : Jul 20, 2023, 08:24 (UTC)
# 34
On: Jul 20, 2023, 08:01 (UTC), Written by SeedofYggdrasil

The problem with trials is, that they get "2 sets" of crystals. One from crystal pre sets and one from their gear!

Therefore 279AP on trails is more like 289AP or even more on a real class.

Like I said before: BAD EXAMPLE!

DR is mostly fine, get over it.

PS: Comparing with Tamer lol, she does the best combo damage in the game....

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? You're the 1% of the gamers who say the DR is fine. When really the only classes that do well is Valk and Warrior in addition to Nova. If you're going to talk nonsense better not talk. Or is it that not time that is a Ranger and a Tamer Trial? What does it have to do with having good base damage? They are still a simple trial of 279 without buff or perfumes. What are you talking about? At least are you thinking before writing? At least you know which class is doing well DR and which is not? being still dr? 

EDIT: Seriously what goes through your head when you tell me that? Come to the arena with your team and 1 hit I'm going to kill you. That's the safest thing to do. There is no DR in this game that can hold me half a combo. On the other hand, with evasion it is the opposite. If you do not know how to do PVP or do not know about build do not think please.

Last Edit : Jul 20, 2023, 12:08 (UTC)
# 35
On: Jul 20, 2023, 08:04 (UTC), Written by Girask

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? You're the 1% of the gamers who say the DR is fine. When really the only classes that do well is Valk and Warrior in addition to Nova. If you're going to talk nonsense better not talk. Or is it that not time that is a Ranger and a Tamer Trial? What does it have to do with having good base damage? They are still a simple trial of 279 without buff or perfumes. What are you talking about? At least are you thinking before writing? At least you know which class is doing well DR and which is not? being still dr? 

EDIT: Seriously what goes through your head when you tell me that? Come to the arena with your team and 1 hit I'm going to kill you. That's the safest thing to do. There is no DR in this game that can hold me half a combo. On the other hand, with evasion it is the opposite. If you do not know how to do PVP or do not know about build do not think please.

Trail characters have their crystals stats build in their gear, cus you couldn't slot in crystals. But now we have Crystal pre-sets, therefore you can have "2 sets" at the same time. (They didn't update the gear stats)

Like I said DR is fine, PvP damage most classes deal is not!

And Evasion has the problem (of being too accessable at the very End-game for some classes) as stated before.

here as reminder:

Do you want to feel more tanky? Build DR/Evasion/HP.  -> You get an Evasion set

Do you want to make more damage? Build AP/Accuracy. -> You get DR set

And in my opinion its a really good system, if executed well! But PA didn't....

problems with class balance:

   - Damage class to class modifiers don't make any sense

   - Some classes to way to much damage on lower AP levels (~281AP)

   - You can't choose your class passive

   - There is for no reason a large variety for each classes accruacy on skills, accruacy self-buffs and evasion debuffs (cough.. Sage cough..)

other problems:

   - AP scaling falls of after 305 AP (you are discouraged to stack more AP)

   - Introduced Debos which is basicly next level above PEN Accessories (more easy to hit high levels of AP)

   - Now you can sacrifies AP to get Evasion items (like Centaur Belt or Evasion offhand) which were designed to wear by full DP builds

Therefore some classes do feel for no reason way to tanky if you fight against them with the "wrong" class!

Last Edit : Jul 20, 2023, 13:07 (UTC)
# 36
On: Jul 20, 2023, 12:06 (UTC), Written by SeedofYggdrasil

Trail characters have their crystals stats build in their gear, cus you couldn't slot in crystals. But now we have Crystal pre-sets, therefore you can have "2 sets" at the same time. (They didn't update the gear stats)

Like I said DR is fine, PvP damage most classes deal is not!

And Evasion has the problem (of being too accessable at the very End-game for some classes) as stated before.

here as reminder:

Do you want to feel more tanky? Build DR/Evasion/HP.  -> You get an Evasion set

Do you want to make more damage? Build AP/Accuracy. -> You get DR set

And in my opinion its a really good system, if executed well! But PA didn't....

problems with class balance:

   - Damage class to class modifiers don't make any sense

   - Some classes to way to much damage on lower AP levels (~281AP)

   - You can't choose your class passive

   - There is for no reason a large variety for each classes accruacy on skills, accruacy self-buffs and evasion debuffs (cough.. Sage cough..)

other problems:

   - AP scaling falls of after 305 AP (you are discouraged to stack more AP)

   - Introduced Debos which is basicly next level above PEN Accessories (more easy to hit high levels of AP)

   - Now you can sacrifies AP to get Evasion items (like Centaur Belt or Evasion offhand) which were designed to wear by full DP builds

Therefore some classes do feel for no reason way to tanky if you fight against them with the "wrong" class!

Ok now if I understand you. Let's leave it to dr that's fine. Although the bonuses and damage escalations are terribly wrong, it is something that continues to affect the DR directly. I understand that the dr can not be given buff since there are classes like striker and mistyc that take advantage of both. But if you can make us give us more tools to climb dr without sacrificing so much damage and so much life. When I put on tanky mode so to speak, I lose 30% of my damage since I have no offensive crystals. Regarding the wrong class. Well, yes. The only people who will say that dr works wonders are the warrior, nova and valk. That is, classes with shields. But a berserker, dk, sage etc not. In theory I do not know why they are dr classes if they are classes that do not have tools to be tank

Last Edit : Jul 20, 2023, 13:20 (UTC)
# 37
On: Jul 20, 2023, 13:07 (UTC), Written by Girask

Ok now if I understand you. Let's leave it to dr that's fine. Although the bonuses and damage escalations are terribly wrong, it is something that continues to affect the DR directly. I understand that the dr can not be given buff since there are classes like striker and mistyc that take advantage of both. But if you can make us give us more tools to climb dr without sacrificing so much damage and so much life. When I put on tanky mode so to speak, I lose 30% of my damage since I have no offensive crystals. Regarding the wrong class. Well, yes. The only people who will say that dr works wonders are the warrior, nova and valk. That is, classes with shields. But a berserker, dk, sage etc not. In theory I do not know why they are dr classes if they are classes that do not have tools to be tank

How much damage do you think eva loses.

Also you shouldn't spam NA forums an KR btw read KR ToS.

Last Edit : Jul 20, 2023, 18:06 (UTC)
# 38
On: Jul 20, 2023, 13:20 (UTC), Written by TitanOfWar

How much damage do you think eva loses.

Also you shouldn't spam NA forums an KR btw read KR ToS.

Since the gm of na do not work and only serve to give buff in ba10 and talk about food inside the server. Then I decided to try suertd in Kr. 

Answering your question. They lose less damage than a user trying to upload dr that I assure you in 101%. Since it doesn't take much ap to kill dr then the loss of damage to gain evasion is negligible compared to what a dr user loses to gain miserable 20 dr

Last Edit : Jul 22, 2023, 14:45 (UTC)
# 39

So what I am reading is you don't know what you are talking about.  The "Evasion" build is not tanky for crap where you claim the minimum needs to be.  Yeah against Tuvala Timmy it does great, however against anyone of equal GS with just 1 accuracy accessory or offhand you are paper.  

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# 40
On: Jul 20, 2023, 08:01 (UTC), Written by Girask

What are you talking about? I have all the DR crystals and that ranger is trial. If I do not have complete construction that Ranger Trial of 279 should tickle me

You are running full AP gear, having 404 Sheet with "dr crystals" is still gearlet DR.  An evasion player can't put on only Evasion Crystals Leeburs and Muskans then call themselves "Tanky" it just doesn't work that way.  Pen Capotia Earrings offer sheet DR but they are no different than putting only an extra crystal in.  Put a real DR accessory then see how much less damage you take.  

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