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My take on Open world PVP and the Systems Surrounding it
Jul 29, 2023, 03:07 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jul 29, 2023, 21:22 (UTC)
# 21
On: Jul 29, 2023, 19:45 (UTC), Written by Crazy88

Well for starters don't be an antagonistic prick. Burrying your head in the sand and just being obstinate won't make you any friends and will only create more enemies. Learn to take an L and move on. War protection (doesn't apply to you or your officers tho), channel hopping, marni realm, documenting and reporting constant harrassment. This is an extreme case that I'm sure you were part of creating. Similar to the idiots who stand out in the middle of the road to try and send whatever stupid message, that ain't the way and nobody likes them.

It has been told to several times that more Arsha Servers is not the only answer, it can absolutely help, and it 100% isn't empty. Bottom line is Arsha is lawless. You go there for a thrill, but it is rare to make more money on Arsha than a normal server because of the constant flow of groups, evasion memes, or people who don't stop when they've been beaten several times. Arsha is also not the answer for anyone that isn't 690+ GS, they will jsut get steam rolled. Season servers are the exact opposite of Arsha and they are just as chaotic and obnoxious because everyone is just grinding on top of each other. That is what the main servers will turn into if these changes go through. Hell it already is sometimes when I try to grind places like Orcs or Pot Piece areas.

So other than personal attacks and more Arsha Servers, do you have any other recommendations?  Why should I move from an area when I am there first?  I don't get it.

Last Edit : Jul 29, 2023, 21:43 (UTC)
# 22
On: Jul 29, 2023, 21:22 (UTC), Written by Columba

So other than personal attacks and more Arsha Servers, do you have any other recommendations?  Why should I move from an area when I am there first?  I don't get it.

This has been explained countless times. There is nesting doll of reasons why a spot can be desireable to a lot of people. Server cd time, limited time to grind, limited familiarity with a specific grind spot, limited server count, even limited optimal grind spots. You are entiteld to nothing, just because you or anyone else arrives to a spot doesn't mean that is yours for countless hours. It simply means you were there first. If someone wants that spot from you they can choose diplomacy or violence and each have their costs. 

When I look for a grind spot I exhaust several server swaps before I start choosing violence, and even then often I will just ask how much longer. But if I am short on time or patience, I choose violence and if I lose in my instigation I take the L and move on.

Clearly more servers is the answer to this issue, whether that be more Arsha and potentially PvE only servers, but more servers none-the-less. And it would also help if PA actually enforced their own Operational Policy to stamp out the extremely toxic people. Competition does not have to be toxic. More Marni time makes perfect sense too since only 1 hour has alwasy been a silly limitation.

The only part that does not make any sense is requiring both guilds to dec in order to have a GvG. That is silly and only fosters more toxicity.

Last Edit : Jul 29, 2023, 22:24 (UTC)
# 23

So if karma loss is determined by family-wide gear score, does that mean that if my main has good gear people can kill my farming alt with impunity?  Why would that be a good idea?

Alternatively, let's say if the player being killed has a gear score that's less than 80% of the recommended for that grind spot, your penalty is greatly reduced?

Last Edit : Jul 29, 2023, 22:46 (UTC)
# 24
On: Jul 29, 2023, 22:24 (UTC), Written by Alnilam

So if karma loss is determined by family-wide gear score, does that mean that if my main has good gear people can kill my farming alt with impunity?  Why would that be a good idea?

Alternatively, let's say if the player being killed has a gear score that's less than 80% of the recommended for that grind spot, your penalty is greatly reduced?

No the system would still affect whatever gear you are currently wearing unless they change that which wouldn't make sense. But the cap is 200k loss each kill iirc. The Karma would just be shared across all characters instead of each specific character.

Your second question I'm not sure I'm reading right. Karma loss is only relative to what gear each person has, it has no correlation to the GS suggestion of the spot being grinded. If I have 730 GS and I attack someone say 680 I'm losing close to 200k Karma. If I still have 730 GS and attack someone like 720 GS I'm loosing more like 20k Karma regardless where we fight.

Last Edit : Jul 29, 2023, 23:24 (UTC)
# 25
On: Jul 29, 2023, 22:46 (UTC), Written by Crazy88

No the system would still affect whatever gear you are currently wearing unless they change that which wouldn't make sense. But the cap is 200k loss each kill iirc. The Karma would just be shared across all characters instead of each specific character.

That 200k karma is divided between all your characters or just a flat -200k karma family wide? So it's 200k karma max ÷ 10 characters? or 200k flat?

Last Edit : Jul 30, 2023, 00:15 (UTC)
# 26
On: Jul 29, 2023, 23:24 (UTC), Written by Findubar

That 200k karma is divided between all your characters or just a flat -200k karma family wide? So it's 200k karma max ÷ 10 characters? or 200k flat?


That would be -200k flat no matter how many characters you have. Naval Karma is account bound and it doesn't matter if you have 5 characters or 30 characters, you go negative Naval Karma on one toon and every toon cannot use Wharf Manager except for the one off in tim-buck-two land.

Last Edit : Jul 30, 2023, 01:08 (UTC)
# 27
On: Jul 29, 2023, 21:43 (UTC), Written by Crazy88

This has been explained countless times. There is nesting doll of reasons why a spot can be desireable to a lot of people. Server cd time, limited time to grind, limited familiarity with a specific grind spot, limited server count, even limited optimal grind spots. You are entiteld to nothing, just because you or anyone else arrives to a spot doesn't mean that is yours for countless hours. It simply means you were there first. If someone wants that spot from you they can choose diplomacy or violence and each have their costs. 

When I look for a grind spot I exhaust several server swaps before I start choosing violence, and even then often I will just ask how much longer. But if I am short on time or patience, I choose violence and if I lose in my instigation I take the L and move on.

Clearly more servers is the answer to this issue, whether that be more Arsha and potentially PvE only servers, but more servers none-the-less. And it would also help if PA actually enforced their own Operational Policy to stamp out the extremely toxic people. Competition does not have to be toxic. More Marni time makes perfect sense too since only 1 hour has alwasy been a silly limitation.

The only part that does not make any sense is requiring both guilds to dec in order to have a GvG. That is silly and only fosters more toxicity.

I am not asking for anything.  I find empty areas and never mess with peoples' rotations.  I am asking you what YOU would do to address the one sided guild decc harassment problems cited by the Producer, since you don't like PA's solution.

Last Edit : Jul 30, 2023, 02:29 (UTC)
# 28
On: Jul 29, 2023, 22:46 (UTC), Written by Crazy88

No the system would still affect whatever gear you are currently wearing unless they change that which wouldn't make sense. But the cap is 200k loss each kill iirc. The Karma would just be shared across all characters instead of each specific character.

Your second question I'm not sure I'm reading right. Karma loss is only relative to what gear each person has, it has no correlation to the GS suggestion of the spot being grinded. If I have 730 GS and I attack someone say 680 I'm losing close to 200k Karma. If I still have 730 GS and attack someone like 720 GS I'm loosing more like 20k Karma regardless where we fight.

I was responding to the OP's suggestion that karma be calculated based on a family gear score rather than the gear score of someone at the time they are killed, then making a counter-suggestion that karma loss be calculated relative to the recommended gear score of a grind spot.  Sorry if that was not clear. I should have quoted the OP, but it's a very long post and the quote function gets wonky.

Last Edit : Jul 30, 2023, 03:06 (UTC)
# 29
On: Jul 29, 2023, 21:22 (UTC), Written by Columba

So other than personal attacks and more Arsha Servers, do you have any other recommendations?  Why should I move from an area when I am there first?  I don't get it.

Why do you get to claim a spot just because you have no life or got off work early?  

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Last Edit : Jul 30, 2023, 04:27 (UTC)
# 30
On: Jul 30, 2023, 02:29 (UTC), Written by Alnilam

I was responding to the OP's suggestion that karma be calculated based on a family gear score rather than the gear score of someone at the time they are killed, then making a counter-suggestion that karma loss be calculated relative to the recommended gear score of a grind spot.  Sorry if that was not clear. I should have quoted the OP, but it's a very long post and the quote function gets wonky.

I don't personally think that would make it better, to be honest. The main idea behind the family-wide gear is to remove Karma bombing functionally as it really should not exist. Karma bombing is one of the primary tools a griefer has to wield against an ordinary grinder, so removing it would greatly hinder griefing efforts.
This is of course in the context of the high end of gear, because people are assholes and still do that even after all the time it takes them to get to these gear levels. That said, this is all largely underpinned by the Group marni realm suggestion making DFS, Griefing and OW PVP outside less necessary.
I've seen alot of ideas for more Arsha servers, I also think that is a good idea, but it's not something I expect PA to do when they can't hardly deliver on the promise of them moving NA servers to a more central location. Still waiting on that, PA. :P

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