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My take on Open world PVP and the Systems Surrounding it
Jul 29, 2023, 03:07 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jul 30, 2023, 04:34 (UTC)
# 31
On: Jul 29, 2023, 22:24 (UTC), Written by Alnilam

So if karma loss is determined by family-wide gear score, does that mean that if my main has good gear people can kill my farming alt with impunity?  Why would that be a good idea?

Alternatively, let's say if the player being killed has a gear score that's less than 80% of the recommended for that grind spot, your penalty is greatly reduced?

In regards to this, this in an ideally designed system per something along the lines of my suggestion wouldn't happen either. Part of my suggestion is to make karma loss relative to the duration of an engagement. This is hard to define and balance, but the idea being that if there is a larger gap in time between deaths of players in a PVP engagement, it's typically more indicative of a fairer fight.
If you're getting farmed on your alt, and constantly dying, that doesn't indicate any sort of fair fight, and is more indicative of griefing. Consequently, harsher and exponential karma loss would occur.
This is again harder to define because of BDO's nebulous class and gear balancing, but it's still a better system conceptually than what is currently in place.

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Last Edit : Jul 30, 2023, 04:36 (UTC)
# 32
On: Jul 30, 2023, 03:06 (UTC), Written by DumpstrWizard

Why do you get to claim a spot just because you have no life or got off work early?  

I don't claim any spot, lol.  I find an empty area, mind my own business and I don't leave until I am ready to leave.  If people wander in, I simply let them know how long I will be there .  If they choose to grind over me, I outgrind them

Last Edit : Jul 30, 2023, 06:36 (UTC)
# 33
On: Jul 29, 2023, 18:34 (UTC), Written by Columba

Lobby for more Arsha channels.  I'd support that.  The current one is pretty empty though.    Or make pve servers.  I don't care.  People who don't want to pvp are getting harassed under the current system.  The producer apologized for it.

Yeah, it is mostly empty, I'm currently uploading over 175GB of content to YouTube from my adventures on Arsha yesterday.

~Spoiler Alert~ I ended up PvPing for less than 15% of the time of was grinding there. It was civil and pretty relaxing grind for the most part. Kinda like most of my past 4 month experiences on Arsha or Seasonal PvP channels.

Last Edit : Jul 30, 2023, 10:42 (UTC)
# 34
On: Jul 29, 2023, 17:22 (UTC), Written by Columba

Go To Arsha 


What? Man your special asf  , go learn to read i stated facts about archeage. I use to main that game before the p2w got so bad it was impossible to progress without griefing other players which is kinda bs aka being a pirate. Trade pack runs 24/7. Or you had to open your wallet to get legendary an mystic which is as toxic as enhancing  for pen accessories without crons on every item.

Also if im not mistaken from what i have just seen on kr notes of bans , if you keep griefing new guilds you will get  banned btw. So dont speak to soon. Wouldnt want PA to notice you griefing new guilds

Last Edit : Jul 31, 2023, 01:06 (UTC)
# 35
On: Jul 30, 2023, 01:08 (UTC), Written by Columba

I am not asking for anything.  I find empty areas and never mess with peoples' rotations.  I am asking you what YOU would do to address the one sided guild decc harassment problems cited by the Producer, since you don't like PA's solution.

Every single GvG is one-sided in the end. Even among the strongest guilds in the game like a Cho and Digi dec, the scores are nowhere close to even, even though they are the two strongest guilds in the game. There is always a clear winner. Depending on how the situation even started and how much shit talking happens is what determines the longevity of a dec. The current situation does not need fixing, it's a fictitious edge-case situation. The overwhelming majority of guilds get a dec, fight it out, and both drop it within a day or two.

If you fail to exercise diplomacy or simply be an obstinate jerk, then yeah you can find yourself being hunted by edge-case psychopaths. A lot of guilds enjoy holy-war decs because it adds a spice to their life running into random war targets when they are out and about. When it turns into a problem they simply hop worlds or call their friends. There are even some guilds that have GvG alliances (not the in-game feature) to help fight bigger guilds.

There is no shortage of tools already at your disposal, this is a problem that does not need fixing. Enforcement of PA's own Operational Policy is what is needed, not fundamental change of the GvG function.

Last Edit : Jul 31, 2023, 06:31 (UTC)
# 36
On: Jul 31, 2023, 01:06 (UTC), Written by Crazy88

Every single GvG is one-sided in the end. Even among the strongest guilds in the game like a Cho and Digi dec, the scores are nowhere close to even, even though they are the two strongest guilds in the game. There is always a clear winner. Depending on how the situation even started and how much shit talking happens is what determines the longevity of a dec. The current situation does not need fixing, it's a fictitious edge-case situation. The overwhelming majority of guilds get a dec, fight it out, and both drop it within a day or two.

If you fail to exercise diplomacy or simply be an obstinate jerk, then yeah you can find yourself being hunted by edge-case psychopaths. A lot of guilds enjoy holy-war decs because it adds a spice to their life running into random war targets when they are out and about. When it turns into a problem they simply hop worlds or call their friends. There are even some guilds that have GvG alliances (not the in-game feature) to help fight bigger guilds.

There is no shortage of tools already at your disposal, this is a problem that does not need fixing. Enforcement of PA's own Operational Policy is what is needed, not fundamental change of the GvG function.

So.....to recap.  Your answer is, NOTHING.  Well, the Producer thinks it's a problem.  Since you don't like the changes, it would be smart of you to proposed alternative ways to deal with those concerns then pretending like they don't exist.  

Last Edit : Jul 31, 2023, 06:19 (UTC)
# 37
On: Jul 31, 2023, 03:46 (UTC), Written by Columba

So.....to recap.  Your answer is, NOTHING.  Well, the Producer thinks it's a problem, so it doesn't matter.  Since you don't like the changes, it would be smart of you to proposed alternative ways to deal with those concerns then pretending like they don't exist.  

ffs read what I wrote... I said PA needs to enforce their own rules they have set. Harrassment is wrong, and it needs to be stamped out. This is not a magical pill to stop harrassment, this only takes one tool out of the kit of a crazy person while also taking it out of the kit for everyone else using it legitimately. This does more harm than it helps. 

How about also instead of harping on a post made in Korean to Koreans you actually talk about NA/EU problems which you have no actual proof. In fact you are the only one here with a stalker, everyone else here and on other threads has only talked about disliking this change because they themselves dislike PvP. There have even been a few that dislike PvP and think this is a dumb idea. Not to mention I've yet to see you have a post more upvoted than downvoted.

This change isn't even documented on the Global-Labs tho I don't have an account there to verify 100%, but from all accounts this is only on KR and only intended for KR rn. There are plenty of differences between the regions like rn KR has 1b premium outfits but in a few days it will be 2b with an almost 1k cron extraction for premium outfits.

Last Edit : Jul 31, 2023, 06:31 (UTC)
# 38
On: Jul 31, 2023, 06:19 (UTC), Written by Crazy88

ffs read what I wrote...

You're asking the impossible!

Last Edit : Jul 31, 2023, 06:34 (UTC)
# 39
On: Jul 31, 2023, 06:19 (UTC), Written by Crazy88

ffs read what I wrote... I said PA needs to enforce their own rules they have set. Harrassment is wrong, and it needs to be stamped out. This is not a magical pill to stop harrassment, this only takes one tool out of the kit of a crazy person while also taking it out of the kit for everyone else using it legitimately. This does more harm than it helps. 

How about also instead of harping on a post made in Korean to Koreans you actually talk about NA/EU problems which you have no actual proof. In fact you are the only one here with a stalker, everyone else here and on other threads has only talked about disliking this change because they themselves dislike PvP. There have even been a few that dislike PvP and think this is a dumb idea. Not to mention I've yet to see you have a post more upvoted than downvoted.

This change isn't even documented on the Global-Labs tho I don't have an account there to verify 100%, but from all accounts this is only on KR and only intended for KR rn. There are plenty of differences between the regions like rn KR has 1b premium outfits but in a few days it will be 2b with an almost 1k cron extraction for premium outfits.

How would they enforce those rules if people are following their rules and deccing guilds that don't want to pvp?  You may be right that it won't get expaned right away, but then many players will lobby for the same rules.  I am not sure why they would keep separate rules.  Afterall, the problems cited by the Producer happen in NA

Last Edit : Jul 31, 2023, 06:57 (UTC)
# 40
On: Jul 31, 2023, 06:34 (UTC), Written by Columba

How would they enforce those rules if people are following their rules and deccing guilds that don't want to pvp?  You may be right that it won't get expaned right away, but then many players will lobby for the same rules.  I am not sure why they would keep separate rules.  Afterall, the problems cited by the Producer happen in NA

Inherrently I don't think a war dec is harrassment. I think it only becomes harrassment when someone goes hunting on a regular basis which is easily proven many different ways. For instance if you get killed in open world and then swap servers but then are found by that same person a few minutes later, that is harrassment. That is abusing an in-game mechanic to stop someone's gameplay.

It's already been said, but worth repeating that a system to forcibly remove a war dec after some sort of period of time say 2-6 hours after the dec goes up and one side drops it. Then let's say you get a 24-72 hour or something cd where that guild can't dec you again. THAT system makes sense. THAT system could still be used to combat a griefer (at least temporarily) while preventing long-term harrassment of weaker guilds. Granted NW guilds still get shafted because if they own a node they can't dec a guild not ready for war unless that guild has an outgoing dec. 

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