First off: Actually, I don't. I advocate for finding a spot/changing channels/waiting for someone else to leave if you really want that rotation in that channel over fighting over it nowadays. The game just isn't the same as it used to be; you don't actually need to fight over spots anymore, but people are hung up on what's comfortable or the most silver an hour, so they pursue conflict. With the marni changes coming next week, there should be 0 reason for spot conflict to happen anymore. But that said, I believe I should be able to flag up and kill someone else who is griefing my rotation. I already pay the karma tax, so you shouldn't be an obstacle to me grinding anymore. If that doesn't work, I should be able to dec them and kill them for wasting my time/karma.

The karma system has a lopsided punishment system right now, and it only really favors the weak and obstinate who have friends that can help them grief, or someone who just wants to harass someone once or twice without much consequence. The flagging/karma systems should have some sort of engagement from all sides aside from it being a large waste of time, or a method of bullying one side or the other. It's why we needed bounty systems and some kind of reason/reward to actually performing negative karma actions outside of just being a jerk or for a challenge.

Second: I wasn't arguing what was or wasn't okay. I was arguing what are the different mentalities of players and why what you suggest doesn't work. But at least you and I agree on ownership of rotations being a thing, and neither one of us wants any kind of obstacle to our grind. Some people argue that rotations aren't yours and as soon as someone else rolls up, they should have the right to take it. I think that kind of thing worked when we had few spots worth grinding, and when the gear system was limited to +15, so stomps weren't easy to pull off and you capped out without needing hundreds of hours of grinding. It made for content when the game was lacking variety. Nowadays, not so much. DFS is the stupidest solution, but also the only real viable one right now. I won't ever agree to it, however.

Third: Yes, 66 isn't hard. It's just a big timesink, which you happen to have plenty of and what I was arguing. You've been around for 6 or 7 years now, and it's fairly obvious how much time you have to waste from how much you argue about sharing ingame and on the forums + getting level 66.

But honestly, I really don't care that much about reworking karma systems anymore. Or care much for spot resolution/mentality anymore, either, since the devs threw their hands up and are just throwing 12hr of potential, daily marni realm time at us. Instead, I'd rather PA focus their efforts to make the actual pvp modes in the game rewarding to do first before addressing OW situation, so I could opt to focus on AoS or doing rbf all day to make my gains instead of going to Hexe/Orcs/wherever and running into Tuvala-Timmy-Who-Plays-With-Two-Toes. Or do something with the gvg system to make it a source of money/consumables as well.

The karma system isn't imbalanced.  It requires you to accept responsibilities for your actions.  What a shame.  I am not wasting anyone's time minding my own business and avoiding others when I grind. They, however, are wasting THEIR time if they try to force me to leave if I am there first, lol.,

Yes, retirement is great.  I can wait out the bullies.  Soon, I may not need to worry about getting decced either.  Life is good.  Don't be jelly.

It is imbalanced. There's no penalty or loss for you to die to flagged pvp, but they pay karma and go red if they keep killing you, which entails more penalties. Going red means your gear can downgrade on pve death, and crystals can now break on pvp death. That's a hefty penalty for killing someone 3-6 times. Let's say you go red and somehow get fed to mobs, then your pen blackstar downgrades or one of your pen accessories downgrades.100b+ silver up in flames for 5 minutes of inconvenience to another guy. Or in a slightly more likely scenario, you're still wearing expensive crystals and the guy calls his guildmates to kill you, then a girin or a jin evasion gem breaks. 2-5b evaporates. Very lopsided. I have to say your sense of responsiblity and what's owed is very strange, but I know you care very little and you aren't really interested in debating things because you've been saying the same things for 6 years. You aren't going to change your ways or how you think, so I'm realistically just saying it for the other people in the room.

And nah, I said you have more time to waste, so you'll win out any grindspot dispute in the end. I didn't say anything about you taking responsibility for their time spent, or you being at fault for the situation. Don't project other peoples' arguments onto me, please. Let me also make something clear - I am in no way or shape jelly of you, nor am I envious in the least bit. I am almost completely indifferent to how you play, what you do with your time, or what you may have. I think you're strange, but that's where it ends. I am literally just using the most obvious metric in the room to show how much time you've spent on the game, which again, proves you have more time to kill than other people (and potentially how much you enjoy the grind? Idk. Breeya is literally depressed, but still going last I checked.)

He does have a valid point in this case, 7 years.  No life skills, 2 characters that are 61 the rest under 56.  Unless you sit in town 24/7 you haven't played for more than 30 hours or so.  If he was sitting in town 24/7 he never saw any PvP tobegin with.  His opinion is not valid in this case.

Well, you can't read.  master in several lifeskills, multiple 61s.  

or one of your pen accessories downgrades.

Strange, you must not have any character then.

2 61s, master in 1 life skill and that is fishing M4 which is basically free for fishing 3 times.  Only a few Artisans, and only a few professionals.  If you do any of the life skills other than barter which he didn't do he would be at the very least artisan most if not master.

For 7 years on an account that is no play time at all, and as such his entire opinion on the subject is worthless since he has no experience.

It is more likely that the person is an alt account that is used to pump up guild numbers or artificially inflate forum post numbers.

I have several, 2 63s a 65, about a dozen 62s and the rest are 61s except my fisher/barter/horse trainer who is 49, but because people use profiles to hunt red players down on the forums, I don't post with a linked account.  It's bad enough that I have people tracking my alts in game via the black robed man and using my campgrounds because I hurt their fee fees in game I don't need the keyboard warriors messing with me because I hurt their fee fees on a forum post as well.