Oh you mean it's not over crowded by all the AFK people there.  People don't log out, that is why the servers become "over crowded" you ever notice how there are 5000 people on velia beach every single day, same with being in Grana and Tooth Fairy cabin?  AFK people should not be encouraged to stay logged in 24/7.  

Never received because devs know their revenue numbers and the demographics of paying customer player base. They can add these 2 + 2 and understand that their profits come from the players who have their time at the premium. Move to town or worse, 30 minutes of downtime just because some PvP hero with nolife decided to PK? Nah.. the majority of the playerbase who value their time and therefore can pay - will just opt out of such a game and move to the game which allows them to play.

And then the devs would be left with the 15 y.o. PvP heroes and good luck monetizing those.

Minor inconvenience is not griefing. Something that isn't yours can't be stolen. You do not own the mobs.

You wanna see griefing? Look up videos when the Honor system was introduced into WoW classic servers. There were entire zones where every flightpath and graveyard was camped, you could not go there at all. People stuck in those zones had to stop playing for hours or walk in spirit form for 30 minutes.

I don't karmabomb, never done it and never will. If someone randomly kills me, I go somewhere else or change servers. It's fair play. I also don't contest spots with people, if I see someone on a spot, I go somewher else. If all spots are taken, I go do something else like burn energy or do quests for Rulupee or something, grinding mobs is only a tiny part of the game. I can't even stomach grinding for more than 2-3h at a time anyways, not a great loss if I have to cut that short as I'm not in a hurry to get anywhere.

No one owns the mobs but there is something about rerspecting the player who kills a pack of mobs.

So I wonder what you do when you start kiling mobs, open a scroll and someone comes and start to kiling the mobs you kill. What you do with this minor inconvenience ? Go somewhere else? Log out ?

I keep killing mobs.

Either they get bored when they realzie they can't bait me into flagging nor will I accept their duel OR they outright kill me, in which case I go somewhere else.

Either is fine with me. Your entitlement is the problem here, not the Karma system. Let me repeat myself once again, you are entitled to nothing, and no one owes you anything, least of all respect.

The only 180 AP grind spots I know of that have 600 GS players at are Pollies because it's the best place in the game to get Skill points, and potion pieces.  Both of those are failings of PA, not because the 600GS players are Griefing.

Well you failing to understand some things. First. I prety much do like you -I dont karmabomb, I dont KS, I dont ask for DFS if someone is on spot. I find another. But when I kill mobs I find it simply unrespectful when someone starts to kill the mobs I kill. Not minding one or two packs of the rotation, but mobs I kil in the moment. And if they continue after talking or smla outgrinding I pk. Because I dont have problem with negative karma. PvP for spot and PK is part of the game.Its legit way to be played.If you are ok to loose loot and xp, ok, but not everyone is.

You see you have your way, and I have my way. We both are ok, but there are people that are not ok and griefing comes - karmabombing and mobfeeding. Ks and PK without reason are too. Those are flaws in the system that needs work. And if you dont aknowledge them as problem, it doesnt mean that its not. Arsha was try to fix the problem, but the problem is on every server. And now because of that fway mobfeeding is getting more popular. And the devs themselves say that they know about the problem and working on bounty system to fix it.

How could you possible fix mob feeding? Make you immune to other players while mobs are attacking you? Yeah, that couldn't be epxloited at all, no sir.

Karmabombing? Play on Arsha or deal with it. I remember back whe I started, you couldn't even grind Helms without being constantly killed when Karma meant nothing, the game was almost unplayable for newbies after you stepped in to Mediah territory. Now, getting killed while you have negative Karma is a really big deal, so most high gear player are not gonna risk their shit over some low-level grind spot for the guildies. That's what Karma is there for.

Is the system perfect? No, but it's a helluva lot better than it used to be, and they ARE working on it. It's just a lot harder than people think, every idea on how to fix it that I've seen has been complete fucking garbage that only takes in to account a tiny part of the equation and completely fucks over everyone else.

This is it.Thats we are talkin, to make the karma system better. People will always find a way to exploit it but its beter to be minimal.

Mob feeding simple put should just be a punishable offense. Crystal brake and XP lose on mobs wasn't designed to be explioted by players to CC others lower their HP to 1 point so the mobs last hit them. If it was they should of never got rid XP penalties on death when another player kills you years ago. This system is clearly being explioted by players to grief others into quiting the game. In-fact I even know some people that literally go to zones like solider's grave and other extremely low level spots just to find low level players to mob feed. There clearly not going to these areas to grind what purpose does a lvl 62 zerker with 600 gear have at solider's grave?

An really it wouldn't been hard to tell the difference between accidently dying to a mob while PVPing someone to purposely getting someone killed by a mob. I mean most the time people who are purposely doing it won't attack you until you aggro a group of mobs than they'll just CC you and not try put damage on you while hopping the mobs kill you before the CC wears off. Not hard to see when people are purposely doing it at all. An it should be punished with temporary game bans if you engage it doing it and even permanent ones if you continue to do it after recieving multiple temp bans. Cause this system was clearly not designed for this purpose.

This expliot is very similar to cart blocking in archeage. People would deliberatly block your cart as you were moving trade packs with their own and try get you too rage quit the game so they could steal your packs, or they'd have another player lure over a hoard of mobs to kill your cart while their friends blocking it. This was clearly and expliot and it got way out of hand especially when it only took 5 people to make running packs for an entire server physically impossible. It why Trion changed their stance on it one day and started issuing bans for players doing it cause it not how the game was designed to be played.