This is it.Thats we are talkin, to make the karma system better. People will always find a way to exploit it but its beter to be minimal.

Right now the 2 things people do is Karmabomb or mob feed, both can be avoided, like I've said many times in this thread. Is it annoying? Sure, but it's not gamebreakingly bad like it used to be where bored softcapped people would just run around low ap areas to kill people for lulz.

Lol.. It was never gamebreakingly. It was easy to be avoided too. About the same way you describe avoiding few posts before But its all about interpretation and point of view. Personal feelings ;)

Some of you seem to have misunderstood what I mean. People come into the spot you are in, ask you for a duel, lose it, and then start griefing. When you start killing them, you lose karma. Is that fair? The karma system in this game is like glorifying the toxic behavior of players that is spoiling others' gameplay just because you can't do anything to them otherwise you will be on low karma and start losing crystals. You as the winner of the duel are on the losing end. You tell me to go to Arsha and I often sit there, but Arsha is only 1 server, often overcrowded with spots on higher AP and you can't grind there with loot scroll.

No one owns the mobs but there is something about rerspecting the player who kills a pack of mobs.

So I wonder what you do when you start kiling mobs, open a scroll and someone comes and start to kiling the mobs you kill. What you do with this minor inconvenience ? Go somewhere else? Log out ?

The only thing you could do was go somewhere else, the problme back then was that there wree only a handful of spots worth grinding, and questing was a pointless waste of time. Your only option was to go semi-afk trade or afk-fish. Now there are so many other worthwhile things you can do.

The funny part here is all of you guys keep goin on and on about going to Arsha like 50% of the over all servers are arsha..

There is 1 as in a SINGLE server that is a full blown PVP server. The goto is stop crying kid and goto Arsha like i have multiple choices.

Do i goto Arsha? Yup...Especially when i am almost in neg Karma so i dont continue to lose.

There are 2 different sides of the coin and i can bring up this Video that was a hot topic in the last Forums

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xssE4LrJ-8

This Guy is the Biggest POS i have seen to date gives the words PvP and killing noobs the reason why some of you run your mouth so bad about flagging up... i actually had to swallow my pride and appoligize becouse i could not beleive there were actually people out there this bad.

NOW from my personal perspective the Karma system is ABSOLUTE TRASH specificaly when it comes to Solo/Guildless players TYPICALLY these are the ones that cause the most problems. You cant dec to remove them and 90% of the time they just jump into a rotation and dont give a crap your there grinding, could care less you have a loot scroll of XP buffs running they will win the spot by attrition cuz they know once you lose karma and go red anyone can try to kill you and generally what happens is 4 or 5 gang up and you lose gems.

Solo players use the Karma system to Karma bomb, very few DFS have ever resulted in Karma bombing BUT GFS is just as cringe worthly as being flagged up on.

Suggestion would be is to lessen the load on lose of Karma that once flagged you lose Karma on the 1st kill but during the period that your Forced PvP this can be changed to say 15 mins or even 30 min that any kills that happen durning this period to the SAME player will not result in continued loss in Karma this will stop the abuse that solo players or Karma Bombers use to try and gain a spot. IF  during the period while you are attackable that another player or players hit you 1st this will not result in Karma loss I.e. If you turn off your flag even though you still have cross swords and can be hit if you choose not to hit 1st you can choose to retaliate untill your contract is up.

This would change the over all battle of DFS to those that can flag up and kill but also are forced to face retaliation from the player they killed with continued PvP andnot just flag kill then turn flag off and continue to grind unobstructed. the consiquenses are simple you force PvP on others you will be foreced to fight for it and not be a PK'r and run from a fight.

Also reduce the amount of Karma loss for solo players killed .

Now the next request would be is to increase the amount of arsha servers from a single one to 10.... that would help as well.

This is very funny how players are saying "GO ARSHA". Arsha is only one server without karma. Which, mean, if all spots are taken, you can't farm on it. So players are using other servers.

And on normal servers, players are using the karma and abuse of it. They come on the spot, grief you, remove their gear, let you kill them, then start to bomb. And in the end you are close to be red and you can't declare the guild of the guy because the guild is protected by the spirit of stupidity.

The karma system is old and outdated because players are abusing it. The war system is old and outdated beacuse sometime you can't dec a guild with 100 members and 900 points.

Arsha server was the lazy option from Pearl Abyss which didn't wanted to take the time to the time to rework it. They got a very bad experience the last they changed it. We past from 60K karma lose to 120K. Some players killed everybody in the entrance of Heidel and Velia.

In my opinion they should bring back the XP lose during savage PVP. Even you got killed by a dude who flag you or if you kill him. That'll calm so karma bombers.