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Wizard Awakening PVP Buff wheeeeeen?????????
Aug 5, 2023, 23:13 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Aug 5, 2023, 23:13 (UTC)
# 1

Why the wizard awa was left behind in PVP? and don't fcking even start with argument "is a support class:" because is not plausible
Im fcking sick of PA incompetence.

Last Edit : Aug 6, 2023, 00:19 (UTC)
# 2

Best I can tell you is, get used to it. Focus PvE, PvP, with gear, you'll smack anyone that is 30-50 GS below you, and that's about it, if striker shows up with even slightly decent gear, just give up, you won't kill him, multipliers are too much in their favor to win.

Awakening Wizard PvP? Better off re-rolling to Shai at this point, even they, despite even worse multipliers, got a better kit than you. Enjoy being a support class that Shai can easily do better than you in every aspect, and Valk can give Protected Area like you can. People that claim awakening wizard is a support and/or a ranged class have no idea the awakening fighting style for wizard even exists (cause it's not even considered in PvP, that's how trash it is), cause all they know is succession wizard.

Hope you enjoy PvE, cause, that's where PA clearly wants all Awakening wizards to go. Succ Wiz is kind of trash compared to every other class, but it's kit is better suited for PvP (and with the right ability combos it can still be half decent in PvE as long as you don't need high accuracy), but mulipliers still apply so, you'll never rly be nearly as good as any of the meta classes.

Want to PvP? It's a PvP open world MMO, class balance is non-existent. Become a meta class with a meta fighting style to win, that's the real trick to it.

Last Edit : Aug 6, 2023, 06:54 (UTC)
# 3
On: Aug 6, 2023, 00:19 (UTC), Written by HatBOI

Best I can tell you is, get used to it. Focus PvE, PvP, with gear, you'll smack anyone that is 30-50 GS below you, and that's about it, if striker shows up with even slightly decent gear, just give up, you won't kill him, multipliers are too much in their favor to win.

Awakening Wizard PvP? Better off re-rolling to Shai at this point, even they, despite even worse multipliers, got a better kit than you. Enjoy being a support class that Shai can easily do better than you in every aspect, and Valk can give Protected Area like you can. People that claim awakening wizard is a support and/or a ranged class have no idea the awakening fighting style for wizard even exists (cause it's not even considered in PvP, that's how trash it is), cause all they know is succession wizard.

Hope you enjoy PvE, cause, that's where PA clearly wants all Awakening wizards to go. Succ Wiz is kind of trash compared to every other class, but it's kit is better suited for PvP (and with the right ability combos it can still be half decent in PvE as long as you don't need high accuracy), but mulipliers still apply so, you'll never rly be nearly as good as any of the meta classes.

Want to PvP? It's a PvP open world MMO, class balance is non-existent. Become a meta class with a meta fighting style to win, that's the real trick to it.



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Last Edit : Aug 6, 2023, 23:49 (UTC)
# 4
On: Aug 5, 2023, 23:13 (UTC), Written by Parekura

Why the wizard awa was left behind in PVP? and don't fcking even start with argument "is a support class:" because is not plausible
Im fcking sick of PA incompetence.

Last Edit : Aug 7, 2023, 00:37 (UTC)
# 5
On: Aug 6, 2023, 23:49 (UTC), Written by Awgust

First of all +1, so you don't think my next arguments are hating or something, just sending in my point of view. I have not large scaled PvP in a year, when I PvP now, it's all small scale, or just RBF, and with all the new players and stuff, things might have changed a lot in the NW/Siege scene, specially the capped stuff.

The fact they don't insta kill him, with how many there are, could show he's fighting people that aren't really fighting back or react too late to an enemy near them (focused on other stuff, lagging, etc, ya know, what usually happens in large scale PvP, on one of the instances of mediah castle you see he's getting kills and not getting attacked cause, they aren't even noticing he's there, so he lays the smackdown from the back, which is a very smart move, however, it's like one of those perfect situation moments) or have much less gear than he does (which isn't the case, cause this is capped Mediah and Valencia Siege/NW). Wizard is squishy, and only has iframes while teleporting, meaning all that time he's just standing there casting spells and doing damage, they would be hammering him. Due to this being capped, all those buffs and crystal stuff, etc etc, is probably giving him a big advantage, and this is something I must admit, Wizard Awakening feels a lot more on the level of the other classes on capped PvP, provided you have proper buffs and crystal set and add-ons (which are all extremely important for PvP, specially in capped PvP). Uncapped PvP is a whole different beast for Awakening Wizard.

Props on the Stormtrooper title though, specially as an Awakening Wizard.

Even at 720+ GS, in most engagements you will get almost instantly grabbed and smacked around by a lot of people immediately unless your own guild members supports you by saving you (good luck with that in large engagements in uncapped).

Furthermore, in open world, depending on where you grind, you won't be stacking those many buffs and full spec for PvP, unless you're the one looking for trouble, but, again, granted, proper buffs + a PvP crystal set + add-ons are essencial to getting good results if you're going into a PvP focused battleground such as NW and Siege, but for open world, uncapped PvP, specially if it's out of nowhere grind spot fight, yeah, you're pretty much dead no matter what you do, unless you severely outgear them, or they don't know how to play their class.

Still, I have yet to try the PvP with all the influx of new players, so, maybe, with all the "fresh meat" in PvP, it's not just all extreme tryharding all over the place, and there are regular people in the mix nowadays.

Edit: Could also just be, this guy is the 0.1% of awakening wizard players that is giga skilled (let's be real here, most of us chose awakening wizard cause it's super chill to make it work decently, basically 0 combos really needed for chill PvE, but on pro level, it's a different story, cause you're working with an extremely sub-par kit compared to other classes), can't rly expect giga skill from everyone, that's how the PvP started dying back in the day, still, he did show it's possible to drop the smackdown with Awakening Wizard. (even if it is a compilation, so, could have failed 1000 times, and only compiled the ones where things worked out, but I'd rather believe he is just THAT skilled, and Awakening Wizard in large scale, is actually fixed. May have to return to the large scale PvP scene myself, instead of staying on the small scale nowadays (cause there, everyone is fully focused on the few targets that exist, so, a bit harder to do some of the stunts in this video)).

Only thing I'll argue is...make the elemental invinsible cause, you lose a lot of damage if it dies, and in uncapped, it'll get 1-3 shot instantly.

Maybe I should go back and give large scale PvP a go with these new buffs.

Last Edit : Aug 7, 2023, 14:51 (UTC)
# 6
On: Aug 6, 2023, 23:49 (UTC), Written by Awgust

you can do this in these same situations with any current meta class 10x easier and without specific conditions. 
few montages or specific situations dont mean much today.

source? endgame largescale nw/siege participation

Last Edit : Aug 7, 2023, 16:32 (UTC)
# 7

Very true on the meta class argument, still, wanted to give the benefit of the doubt that, it is possible to do it with the new buffs, however, only in capped medium gear PVP, where Awakening Wizard is actually at it's best.

As for the source, endgame, etc etc question. From the locations (Mediah and Valencia), this is medium gear capped PVP (where awakening wizard plays best, too low caps means wizard is almost useless, uncapped, wizard get shredded). Furthermore, as mentioned in my comment above, you can see people aren't reacting nearly as fast as you would with the endgame guilds, you'd instantly get slaughtered

Last Edit : Aug 7, 2023, 16:33 (UTC)
# 8
On: Aug 7, 2023, 00:19 (UTC), Written by HatBOI

First of all +1, so you don't think my next arguments are hating or something, just sending in my point of view. I have not large scaled PvP in a year, when I PvP now, it's all small scale, or just RBF, and with all the new players and stuff, things might have changed a lot in the NW/Siege scene, specially the capped stuff.

The fact they don't insta kill him, with how many there are, could show he's fighting people that aren't really fighting back or react too late to an enemy near them (focused on other stuff, lagging, etc, ya know, what usually happens in large scale PvP, on one of the instances of mediah castle you see he's getting kills and not getting attacked cause, they aren't even noticing he's there, so he lays the smackdown from the back, which is a very smart move, however, it's like one of those perfect situation moments) or have much less gear than he does (which isn't the case, cause this is capped Mediah and Valencia Siege/NW). Wizard is squishy, and only has iframes while teleporting, meaning all that time he's just standing there casting spells and doing damage, they would be hammering him. Due to this being capped, all those buffs and crystal stuff, etc etc, is probably giving him a big advantage, and this is something I must admit, Wizard Awakening feels a lot more on the level of the other classes on capped PvP, provided you have proper buffs and crystal set and add-ons (which are all extremely important for PvP, specially in capped PvP). Uncapped PvP is a whole different beast for Awakening Wizard.

Props on the Stormtrooper title though, specially as an Awakening Wizard.

Even at 720+ GS, in most engagements you will get almost instantly grabbed and smacked around by a lot of people immediately unless your own guild members supports you by saving you (good luck with that in large engagements in uncapped).

Furthermore, in open world, depending on where you grind, you won't be stacking those many buffs and full spec for PvP, unless you're the one looking for trouble, but, again, granted, proper buffs + a PvP crystal set + add-ons are essencial to getting good results if you're going into a PvP focused battleground such as NW and Siege, but for open world, uncapped PvP, specially if it's out of nowhere grind spot fight, yeah, you're pretty much dead no matter what you do, unless you severely outgear them, or they don't know how to play their class.

Still, I have yet to try the PvP with all the influx of new players, so, maybe, with all the "fresh meat" in PvP, it's not just all extreme tryharding all over the place, and there are regular people in the mix nowadays.

Edit: Could also just be, this guy is the 0.1% of awakening wizard players that is giga skilled (let's be real here, most of us chose awakening wizard cause it's super chill to make it work decently, basically 0 combos really needed for chill PvE, but on pro level, it's a different story, cause you're working with an extremely sub-par kit compared to other classes), can't rly expect giga skill from everyone, that's how the PvP started dying back in the day, still, he did show it's possible to drop the smackdown with Awakening Wizard. (even if it is a compilation, so, could have failed 1000 times, and only compiled the ones where things worked out, but I'd rather believe he is just THAT skilled, and Awakening Wizard in large scale, is actually fixed. May have to return to the large scale PvP scene myself, instead of staying on the small scale nowadays (cause there, everyone is fully focused on the few targets that exist, so, a bit harder to do some of the stunts in this video)).

Only thing I'll argue is...make the elemental invinsible cause, you lose a lot of damage if it dies, and in uncapped, it'll get 1-3 shot instantly.

Maybe I should go back and give large scale PvP a go with these new buffs.

On: Aug 7, 2023, 14:50 (UTC), Written by WhySoSeeryus

you can do this in these same situations with any current meta class 10x easier and without specific conditions. 
few montages or specific situations dont mean much today.

source? endgame largescale nw/siege participation

Succ Awak
Last Edit : Aug 7, 2023, 18:50 (UTC)
# 9
On: Aug 7, 2023, 16:33 (UTC), Written by Awgust
Succ Awak

my man i am literally playing in one of the top nw/siege guilds in eu (and fighting other top guilds in eu, where u can also notice total lack of awakened casters in general, even after latest buffs, which were step in the right direction)and i dont need any cherrypicked often outdated montages or examples because i have top players rampaging around on actual fotm top tier classes racking at least 30% higher numbers on bad days. it is actual joke to even try arguing that in current meta (at least in eu, coz i cant speak for other regions) awakened caster is something anyone looks at even remotely the same as on drakanias, zerkers, archers or sages or whatever has it multiple times easier due to better kits, multipliers, less team dependancy, less terrain interaction issues and other "goodies".

Last Edit : Aug 7, 2023, 20:01 (UTC)
# 10

Ah sweet, another Awakening Wizard copefest forum post.
So don't get me wrong, I DO think the class needs buffs, particularly in the mobility area.
However, The class isn't nearly as down bad as alot of people make it out to be. Alot of your success hinges on proper positioning and a passive-aggressive playstyle people aren't acclimated to or enjoy. Landing the slow bubble matters alot especially in smaller scale PVP, and positioning in general matters the most in regards to any form of large scale pvp. A well placed Awakening Wizard is far from bad or useless, as much as people would like to make him out to be.

I do NOT however think the class needs any form of damage buff. Just because you can't SOLO YOLO an entire ball of 30 players doesn't mean the class is bad, It just means the classes that can are OP and deserve nerfs and adjustments.

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