This just instantly kills open world pvp. Dumb change. Please don't do this!

the thing is, and i really do not want to defend this decision in any way, ........ .. .. .. but the new marni changes should alleviate that problem. if you can just hop into a server whenever you want for your rotation... someone griefing you is going to be a lot less debilitating. it will still be annoying and it will interrupt your buffs and grind time, but you at least have the option now to continue on with your hour with ease, which i think is great for pve focused people. with so many players in those servers as well the situation itself shouldn't happen as often. i'm definitely someone who looks at this from a pvp perspective because it's the bulk of the content i participate in so i'm obviously biased, and i still think the change is shit, but i can understand the strengths of some of these proposed changes. what i think will primarily be more difficult to account for and remedy with these changes though is how open world skirmishes or genuinely engaging guild wars will begin. everyone has a story about that one time they got dec'd on by someone lame and they ended up just having to dip, but most everyone also has a story about how their fights over a spot turned into a 2-3 hour gvg that ended up being really fun. open world is how a lot of the guild vs guild content is created which ends up coming out in nw fights or aos or whatever else. no matter your opinion on the content itself, it forms a community and brings players together in a way bdo needs. with these changes you'll basically only be able to fight those few guilds you've mutually dec'd on, and finding those opposing guild members when the games population is segregated to instances will be nearly impossible. unless they make a shit ton more arsha servers it'll just make everything extremely stale, which is sad when you consider how dead the endgame pvp scene is already. the same like 5-6 """top guilds""" already fight the like... same people on repeat. not only will that now be their permanent content, but getting a slice of it yourself if you're not in those guilds will be way harder now than ever before. 

anyways tldr; griefers suck but what sucks even more is making this game feel like even less of an mmo than it already does. i know a lot of people who will quit because of this change and i really cannot blame them.

With these changes, it feels like it becomes pointless to be an active open world guild. It's already hard enough to have multi "guild" gvgs when we're limited on dec slots, with all the relevent guilds being alliances (eating 2 dec slots a guild). We can't third party gvgs anymore, we can't fight more than 3 "guilds" at the same time. Dec slots being a limited resource, is so painful when you waste them on guilds that won't dec back. And you're just sitting on a wasted slot for an hour. 

I grew my guild off the one concept of just protecting your guildes from griefers. Often starting gvgs. I think this is how most players get into the pvp scene nowadays. Gotta learn to fight back to defend your grind spots, or being apart of a guild that will come help you. It's absurd to me that these changes are coming, when there's already so many systems in place to protect PVE players. They can easily just swap servers, go Marni realm, or be in an guild that's "not ready for war" to avoid pvp. There isn't scarcity in grind spots anymore, not with 37 servers in place and so many viable grind spots. It hurts to see the game go in this direction, when we have such a dedicated community to PVP. All this change will do is incentize players to feed people to mobs. 

What will happen to you now, what we will be able to do more to remove the grievances or the guys who refuse duels, what you must do all the time given your speech. The solution is simple, we remove the AP, we activate the PK and we throw you into the mobs with 5-10% life, and we repeat the operation until you clear. And if that doesn't work, we'll call friends and we'll destroy the spot for you. What PA wants is that we use cancer methods against cancer. With family karma and it takes 15min to deliver full karma, PK a player costs 4000 + the karma of the kill, these are the mobs that will kill you. You risk quickly regretting the GVG system

PvP and one sided guild decs are fun to me. Even if I am on the receiving end of one.

I would suggest scrapping this idea entirely and implementing something like this:

This was discussed in the past, but creating a system that makes one-sided decs very expensive for a guild to upkeep, in my opinion, is the best way to keep both the dec system alive, and keep one-sided decs punishing for the individual guild hosting the war.

The amount of silver could be something like 750m-1b or something of that sort per day to actually have an effect. I believe this would not only assist in making the declaration system used in more mutual manners but it would also help activity in content like node wars and sea monster hunting as these two forms of content are some of the best guild-earning silver in the game. So if a guild would like to keep their decs alive, they would need to partake in that content and try to win nodes to fund their open world war declarations.

The cost of the dec could be varied based on which guild size you are declaring war on. For example, a guild who is extra large declaring war on a small guild will receive a harsher penalty than a guild declaring war on another of similar size. This idea is just an add on, however I believe this change would help force players to consider the consequences of their actions and potentially push them to decide not to make one-sided declarations of war for too long as guild funds are necessary for guild buffs and various other benefits that players in the guild are given.

The system that Pearl Abyss has proposed is going to ruin most if not all unplanned PVP in the game. This PVP is a reason why a lot people actually grind for gear, however without that form of content and all of the PVP content in the game currently being capped in gear there is simply no point in grinding if the current changes are implemented.

Please reconsider your changes to the guild war system and understand that there are alternative ways to improve it rather than what PA has proposed.

in certain marni areas we cap the rota despite the faster respaw. And we can't grind everywhere in marni, because the spots are not necessarily very good in marni. There is no justification for removing pvp content, if it increases the time of marni, then they can leave pvp as it is.

We record those actions and you will get banned.

Agreed

lol why will I be banned, for using the remaining mechanics to protect my spot. Dude if you're allergic to pvp change the game, but don't piss us off. You can grind infinitely in your marni zone, so don't come and piss us off on normal spots or those mobs that will finish you off

Was ready to pull the trigger on a fair bit of pearls for weight/slots/exp transfer thank God I saw this first. Vote with your wallets etc.

I really hope this change doesn't go through, all it will do is damage the game and promote griefing for spot rather than fighting for it. When I saw this change over-seas for KR etc, I was hoping they wouldn't bring that terrible decision here... Now I just hope PA actually cares enough about the people voting/posting here to not go through with it...