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RNG. Explain it to me like I am 5.
Feb 12, 2021, 03:57 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Feb 15, 2021, 19:35 (UTC)
# 11

I did online Poker for years, when it was big and made a good profit.

there were weeks where I had bad rng over and over.

The difference is, that great poker players can play around bad rng with bluffing having a good hand, while we can only optimize the odds in bdo.(nowadays online poker became way harder, because there are far less people around who would do a "Pen roulette" to throw money away).

 

 

take pot pieces for example, you can shorten the time you need to get a potpiece by increasing drop rate, but it won't change the fact that other players might need far longer or shorter then you do with higher/lower drop rates(manshaum is a great example ranging from below 10h to 490+h for players).

 

i failed 48 times the manos fishing cloth from +14 to +15 , i one tapped manos alchemy cloth to TET . things "happen".

 

that he got far more stuff then you , surely hurts. but it is more likely to turn in your favor the next 35 hours. And in the long run it will.

 

Of course there could be manipulation involved, writing the code for it would take a few hours to a minute, depending on your code. (One if statement to half all "success" probability numbers for example for older player).

But I didn't see any real proof yet and there are many old players who also have a great time currently with the rng.

 

The risk of losing everything is far higher for pearl abyss then winning a few percentages by milking unlucky players.

Just try to get more comfortable with probability, probability "can" not "will" give.

 

Last Edit : Feb 16, 2021, 04:17 (UTC)
# 12
Écrit le : 12 févr. 2021, 13:39 (UTC), par : FearlessZ

It's pretty easy to explain. Some players are predestined to succeed on easy street. While others are predestined to struggle and fail over and over. Just don't believe the number that are shown to you. Instead take the numbers you are shown and cut it any multiple of times. That one piece you grabbed. is more than likely closer your real chance to succeed then the number that is shown.

 

I'm pretty sure most sensible people here can agree. We the players are not shown the final %. We are being shown a % in the middle of the process and not the ending %. Basically a play on numbers and words. They are showing you part of the conclusion just not the whole of it.

 

Which is why you have situations where Jake succeeds 4 PEN accessories back to back to back to back with a 50 stacks. Meanwhile Mike will fail TET accessories 30 times in a row starting at a 70 stack. It's what you should expect in the Wild Wild West of gaming where there is little regulation on gaming scamming.

Cavemen invented gods to give a justification to natural phenomenons they couldn't understand, such as wind, rain etc.

 

Nowadays some people are still stuck in this caveman mindset and believe in dev godly hand intervention to explain phenomenons that fly way above their heads.

Last Edit : Feb 16, 2021, 06:21 (UTC)
# 13
On: Feb 12, 2021, 13:39 (UTC), Written by FearlessZ

It's pretty easy to explain. Some players are predestined to succeed on easy street. While others are predestined to struggle and fail over and over. Just don't believe the number that are shown to you. Instead take the numbers you are shown and cut it any multiple of times. That one piece you grabbed. is more than likely closer your real chance to succeed then the number that is shown.

 

I'm pretty sure most sensible people here can agree. We the players are not shown the final %. We are being shown a % in the middle of the process and not the ending %. Basically a play on numbers and words. They are showing you part of the conclusion just not the whole of it.

 

Which is why you have situations where Jake succeeds 4 PEN accessories back to back to back to back with a 50 stacks. Meanwhile Mike will fail TET accessories 30 times in a row starting at a 70 stack. It's what you should expect in the Wild Wild West of gaming where there is little regulation on gaming scamming.

indeed, i am pretty sure this is common knowledge for those of us who have been around the longest, even a 5 years old would realise that even combat experience and other activities work that way in the game, but ofc since humanity has anti vaxers, anti maskers, and flat earthers it wouldnt be surprising if some said it isnt true, but then again what can you expect of such people.

Last Edit : Feb 16, 2021, 19:52 (UTC)
# 14
On: Feb 12, 2021, 03:57 (UTC), Written by Vicious

 This is the one feature of BDO where nobody was able to explain how it works exactly and we never got an official response from the staff.

 Now that we are switching from Kakao to Pearl Abyss I think a member of staff should make some light from this point of view. 

There is a google doc online from 2019, but by the time you finish to read it you will have a brain aneurysm and you will be left with a twitching eye for life.

I will write down an example of RNG and I need someone to explain me how the RNG worked for me and how the RNG worked for my party member. 

 This test was done with the same person in party, 5 hours a day at Turos for a whole week.

Total of 35 hours of grinding.

ME - Kama blessing - 20%, Ecology - 20%, Arctic Fox T4 - 4%, Blue LS - 50%, Luck LvL 5 - 5% = TOTAL 99% Item drop rate

HIM - No Kama blessing, Ecology 10%, No Arctic Fox, Blue LS - 50%, Luck LvL 2 - 2% = TOTAL 62% Item drop rate

Both of us with nodes lvl 10.

I will count only the rare drops, Embers, Leafs and Belts. 

 

ME 99% DROP RATE - 85 Embers, 4 Belts, 18 Leafs

HIM 62% DROP RATE - 120 Embers, 9 Belts, 27 Leafs

 

 Now when i look at those numbers it doesn't make any sense. 

 This is just my opinion buti'm startingto believe that the RNG is setup on account and the buffs that we get ingame have little to no effect. 

 The difference between me and my party member is that i'm playing for over 3 years and he started less than a year ago. 

 Some other thing that i've noticed is that accounts under 6 months are hitting TET's and PEN's easy. 

Where I can raise my FS to over 120 on TET's easy, some players are making TET's with 70-80 FS. 

 

This is not a complaint, I already have end game gear, I've learned the hard way that for me grinding and buying from the market is a better option :) 

 

 Now I'm just curious if there is a reasonable explanation for this. The numbers are in my favor but the final outcome says I earned less than my buddy. 

 

So is there anyone from the staff that has an actual explanation on how the RNG works in BDO? 

 

RNG = Random Number Generator.  The way I see it, it's like spinning a slot machine wheel.  Higher FS will make the winning slot a little bigger, but at the end of the day, it's all chance.  No need for baked-up consiracy theories.

 

It indeed very much sucks when you fail at 70% success rate and your buddy succeeds the same enhance at 40% or something.  But this is all within the confines of RNG.  RNG is unpredictable, at best...it can be "estimated within reason", and if you're really good at math and probability calculations, you can make a big profit, but even then, requires some extensive silver investments to make it actually work.  RNG is just too unpredictable in nature to be like "OK, this is going to succeed, 100%" or anything, all you can do is cross your fingers and hope it goes.

 

I wouldn't think about it too much nor would I recommend "trusting" or "having faith" in higher % numbers.  It's just a matter of luck at the end of the day without a true 100% success rate.  Call it "Calculated Luck" if you're Biohack or something, but at the end of the day, RNG = RNG, so with that base knowledge, maybe you can build something for yourself from it.

Last Edit : Feb 23, 2021, 03:02 (UTC)
# 15
On: Feb 12, 2021, 13:39 (UTC), Written by FearlessZ

It's pretty easy to explain. Some players are predestined to succeed on easy street. While others are predestined to struggle and fail over and over. Just don't believe the number that are shown to you. Instead take the numbers you are shown and cut it any multiple of times. That one piece you grabbed. is more than likely closer your real chance to succeed then the number that is shown.

 

I'm pretty sure most sensible people here can agree. We the players are not shown the final %. We are being shown a % in the middle of the process and not the ending %. Basically a play on numbers and words. They are showing you part of the conclusion just not the whole of it.

 

Which is why you have situations where Jake succeeds 4 PEN accessories back to back to back to back with a 50 stacks. Meanwhile Mike will fail TET accessories 30 times in a row starting at a 70 stack. It's what you should expect in the Wild Wild West of gaming where there is little regulation on gaming scamming.

Mike's starting at a 70 stack...that's roughly 30 to 40 fs below soft cap...no wonder lol Averages are not achievable at these low numbers...and 35 hours is about ~350 hrs shy of actual analytical data. If you roll a dice 6 times, you don't expect to get a different pip on each roll...or do you? Look up the law of Averages, a "gambler's fallacy"...you'd need a much much larger number set on the same "gamble" to see the balance out. That's how the lottery works, gambling works and how rng in BDO works.

 

To the OP, you're basing your logic off items that have .01% drop rate or less...and only within 35 hours.  That's roughly several 100's of hours short of the numbers needed to see a difference. If the drop rates were say 10-20%, you'd def have more overall because the hourly metric in comparison to the chance rate is much closer to 1. I can pretty much Guarantee you made more trash...but you didn't include that.

Last Edit : Feb 23, 2021, 08:32 (UTC)
# 16

OK - challenge accepted.

 

It is a game which means it is all programmed. All of it with no exceptions.

 

It is built around a certain amount of randomness (that, like all programming) can be altered. However, the randomness can be altered per area in game, so, it will be different for all who have picked different options (even down to the horoscope you picked when you made up the character).

 

It is not luck - that is just a descriptor we have used to explain certain unexplainable events. As this is programmed, all outcomes are predictive as the game has an economy, which must be balanced. This determines what you get and how you get it. Tied into the programming, the drops will be determined as soon as you select the event. 

 

I hope this helps

 

Last Edit : Feb 26, 2021, 05:00 (UTC)
# 17

Statistics only matter when you have sufficently large sample sizes...so unless you are comparing hundreds of hours to hundreds of hours, you sample size is too small.

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