I will open a debate and hopefully some GM joins although I doubt it. Normally they do not know how to face so much disaster. I m e ask the following question. What does PA want about the pvp?  What I can tell is that they want to create an environment so healthy that they are literally killing veteran players to please a group of Progress who can't stand a bit of open world PVP. I don't know about you but in my time when that happened the solution was to get GS. Nowadays they want everything easy. After applying the change in the GVG which I find disgusting. wars where both sides agree. That could be called a war? Who in their right mind accepts a war they don't want to fight? but that one of your guild or the GM of that guild itself is looking for trouble. I have weeks that I do not know what a GVG is, I dare say that the pvp is totally dead if not for BA and RBF. Which those 2 places instead of de-stressing is a stress in its entirety.  Then I will make it clear again. PA wants to eliminate PVP indirectly to please a small group?

Open world PvP is extremely niche.

Instanced PvP is much more popular and creates a healthier game. It's clear PA wants this game to have a wider audience appeal and that means removing(or greatly restricting) open world PvP and griefing.

Yeah. Can't say I've ever gone to a grind area with full scrolls and buffs and been like, gee, hope I run in to somebody to have a bit of fun PvP with while I watch the timers on my items tick away. Every single time I've been attacked in the open world its resulted in me getting killed over and over, killing somebody over and over, or devolving so badly that I have to switch to another server. To be honest switching servers and hoping there's nobody on the other side happens more than the other two, but not by much (this is before Marni's realm and quick server switches, and improved respawn on enemies). Maybe 1/100 times the person I kill will just leave after dying once.

Literally nobody should suffer at a grind spot anymore unless you're just being stubborn in some way. Marni's realm, 20+ different servers to switch to with a super short cooldown, increased respawns at zones. Ever since the update, I haven't had a single problem in the open world that I couldn't solve, no matter the situation. 

But to be honest I can't handle more than a couple hours at a single spot. Circle Runner Simulator isn't exactly the most engaging thing, and I hope PvE gets a ton of major major expansions in its philosophy and maybe one day they fix and make Black Shrine better, but we're on the right track right now.

Right way to where? to your ideal game moving away from the original and for the reason that all veteran players are here? You literally do not think you have a valid opinion because your highest character is LVL 62 which I find incredible today since that level I reach in 4 hours.  what happens is that you want to mold the game to your needs and you could not handle the reality of BDO. This game was always for a select audience and is not for everyone. But nowadays even outside the game reigns the generation of crystal. You kill him 3 times in a row and it gives them anxiety. I would honestly be happy for them to leave BDO. Only then will they stop creating so many garbage rules that limit the player.

There are no proper instanced PvP in bdo, so...

Except that they allowed griefing more than ever with their last updates.

Griefers are thriving. PvP, apart from unbalanced 1-CC-Shot fest, is really underwhelming. There was a time when PA would advertise Open World PvP, now they seem to want to instance it so hard... They removed penalties at first shortly after release and raised the karma penalty 5 times over. Now they restrict war as well. I undestand the Boss peace time, nice change for progression. But utterly, it has been a series of bad quality decisions. The only way to get rid of this kind of behavior is feeding griefers to mobs and hinder their progression even more. That is just ridiculous and creats toxic tension amongst the players, and guess what; there is no way to resolve it, as there is no availability for war or any other kind of combat that can be involved. Karma is a poor mechanic and a really badly tuned one. Disappointed.

Nice debating skills.

Not ALL veteran players. I have played BDO since launch.  I did not come here because of the PvP. I came here in spite of it.  There are many more like me.

Your minority is clearly not a smart market to cater to financially and that is why PA is focusing less on open world PvP and more on PvE + instanced PvP.