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Succession Kunoichi Suggestions
Oct 16, 2023, 10:18 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Oct 17, 2023, 12:58 (UTC)
# 1

Family Name: Altersen

Region (NA/EU): EU

Suggestions/Comments

Preface

As awakening kunoichi has been discussed in detail in another post I made we now want to turn to the succession spec of the class.

(link can be found here to awakening: https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/Forum/ForumTopic/Detail?_topicNo=41809&_page=1)

The succssion spec has gone through some QOL changes in the past and some nerfs because it was during that time a very strong class considering the meta back then.

She excelled at high burst movement, some of it having good protection which also had the element of surprise incorporated in it. All in all it was an agile class that was rather unpredictable.

Just like awakening it plays like a rat-like class.

Most of the QOL changes has helped the class with rune generation and making it easier to access for new players as well. Although thats the case the past nerfs tot he class, although some were perhaps justified some others hold no ground anymore in the current meta and hold the class extremely back.

Major points that need tob e evaluated on succession kunoichi are as follows:

  1. PvE Damage
  2. Skill cooldowns
  3. Skill protections
  4. Stamina usage
  5. PvP Damage
  6. Hitrate & missing hitrate buffs

 

PvE Damage

Prime: wheel of wrath is a high damage skill in PvE after using 3 runes on it but in comparision the rest oft her skillset she has a very lackluster damage output.

The class itself suffers to be of high apm while having almost no reward regarding PvE damage and with it the trashloot numbers that can be achieved.
Furthermore the class lacks applikable t3 addons which would already help the class perform better in PvE.

 

Skill cooldowns

Although kunoichi is a high apm class, she quickly runs out of skills to use and is forced to play very passivly after bruning her skills to maybe fish for a cc. One of her main solutions to that matter is her resorting to s-block, which should rarely be that case for any class.

Most of succession kunoichis damage skills have high cooldowns and she therefor suffers in either PvE or PvP.

 

Skill protections

Succession kuno has some protected skills that help her in some cases to get away or survive some of the incoming damage but ist not enough in the current meta.

The succession kit is very unprotected and allows for very limited gameplay options during a fight. Taking Q-block into considereation it is a very outdated mechanic that the skill itself forces you to stay blocked when hitstaggered while also draining stamina even if you are not getting hit. Adding to that you even consume stamina when s-blocking, too.

 

Stamina usage

Succession kunoichi uses prime flashlash and tendoncutter alot for her movement during fights. Changes to her stamina usage on both those skills lead to her having the problem to run out of stamina quickly during a fight and further limiting the way she can play.

One of the recent changes to kunoichi‘s tendoncutter and flash slash were, that she could regenerate stamina during those skill, which of course helped, but when fighting outside of AOS, which should not be taken as the precedent to the actual gameplay for nodewars or open world, it still proves difficult to play her in those scenarios outside of AOS. That being said, the stamina changes to those skills still helped the issue of running out of stamina to fast, but still needs more refinement.

 

The ability to recover stamina is so to say not existent in a fight and needs to be looked into. Especially when one of her roles ist o get to ranged damagedealers and not being to approach them safely since they can run away while dealing damage or cc you as the lack of stamina leads to her being forced to play with either unprotected skills or stay in s-block.

 

As already mentioned, her Q-block needs an adjustment as well as it drains stamina and hindering the class even more to stay protected in combat.

 

 

PvP damage

An assassin class should have high mobility and high bursts of damage to fit the role it was given.

Succession lacks this in the current meta. A high difference in killing potential can already be seen in capped content where an assassin class should not have to use her entire kit to kill one player and mostly failing to do so, as it is not realistic to get an entire combo out while certain skills are unprotected.

Comparing her killpotential with other classes makes one realize quickly that she can not compete in any regard with the current meta classes.

 

Hitrate & missing hitrate buffs

Some skills of succession kunoichi have high accuracy like wheel of wrath but some others dont. The missing hitrate buff as other classes have it with mostly 9% hitrate buff for 10 seconds forces to fully commit her to either full evasion to at least tank some damage while not being able to dish our damage as other hybrid classes are able to, like musa or hashashin, or play as a glass cannon that in turn leaves her vulnerable to all kinds of damage while not even reaching the desired target.

 

General Ideas/Solutions

As now the problems for the succession kit of kunoichi have been outlined there were some potential fixes introduced by the kunoichi community.

In terms of probably the top priorities in this list, hit rate, overall damage, an accuracy self buff, stamina changes and more protections on skills would be the highest priorities. 

  • Reduction of stamina usage of most skills if not changing it to mp usage
  • Prime: danse macabre - lower the cooldown of the skill by 1 or 2 seconds
  • Prime: danse macabre - take away the 3 rune usage on the skill as it proves to be not worth using in any kind of scenario and is therefor useless
  • Prime: danse macabre - make the end of the anmiation linger with sa again so the class can regen stamina during it
  • Potential cooldown reductions on skills like prime: flashlash by one second
  • Adding a hitrate buff of 9% for 10 seconds on a skill like prime: crescent slash or shadow slash (as an example)
  • Increasing the overall damage output of her skills by at least 10% 
  • For PvE increase the damage significantly on other skills than prime: wheel of wrath by at least 10-15% to help it compete in PvE with other classes
  • Change q-block to not consume stamina anymore while using it or at least change it so it consumes only stamina when hit
  • Add protections like fg or sa to skills like moonlight and/or shackle while taking the cc’s away
  • Make a prime version of moonlight
  • Adjust the rune system so that the spirit rune can be applied by 3 different skills as well just like the ghost or soul rune can be applied by 3 skills each
  • Tragic blade - change this skill to something that can be used as it is a dead skill in kunos kit, perhaps turn this skill to a useable one with a 9% accu hitrate buff for 10 seconds

 

While it can be said that the entire kunoichi community is desperately asking for buffs it is known that not all oft he changes can be applied. Still changes like a hitrate buff would already be a major step towards the right direction oft he class itself.
Once again these are all general ideas for changes and are of course open for discussion.

 

Huge thanks as well to soFrosty for looking over the forum posts for kunoichi and helping smooth those posts out a bit. (Link to his twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/sofrosty)

Last Edit : Oct 16, 2023, 10:22 (UTC)
# 2

yo but honestly, to all the people who think that the class is "too op" or whatever, please, I beg of you, tag it and try it out for 1 month so you can see for yourself... it's just unreal how clueless some of you can be to even dislike a class you barely see nowadays

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Last Edit : Oct 17, 2023, 13:35 (UTC)
# 3

I absolutely agree with the proposed ideas

Last Edit : Oct 17, 2023, 21:33 (UTC)
# 4

In addition to these good considerations written above, I would add more specific solutions for Succession Kuno:

-Shackles is our second unprotected damage skill with +0% accuracy modifier: would be good put it at +10% accuracy as starting point. It doesnt make any sense to have +30% accuracy on Wow and zero on Shackles since in this way we still need to build massive accuracy also for pve having no benefit from Wow modifier. In addition since the class has no one reliable FG skill, we have a problem into endgame pve where having FG is very important. In conclusion, would be better for us remove the stun cc from Shackles and add FG protection.

-In the actual status Moonlight skill has zero application into pvp game. Remove ccs from moonlight and give it FG. Improve moonlight damage by a large amount since actually it does very low damage.

- Another major issue is the small aoe this class has into pve. Double the Shadow Clone circular hit-zone. Double Fox Claw longitudinal hit-zone.

- The class has no one evasion reduction modifier: add evasion reduction modifier to Shadow Explosion skill.

-Regarding of Tragic Blade skill: this skill as zero utilize into pve and pvp aswell. Rework entirely this skill or give it a quickslot, improve aoe.

As I show on my youtube page, this class is actually underperforming by good classes into pve endgame for more or less 1 billion silver/hour. Main reason of this is: bad aoe damage, bad overall sustained damage, having no one reliable FG skill, 0% accuracy on second damage skill, being half unprotected force us run full resistance crystal setup losing  a lot of ap vs monster. The above suggested changes would help fix those pve things.

https://youtu.be/HAvbW8cLvNk

Thank you for reading, have a good day.

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