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Tamer lacks a visual presence, and a visual definition.
Oct 16, 2023, 19:06 (UTC)
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Oct 16, 2023, 19:06 (UTC)
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Family Name: Nano
Region (NA/EU): EU
Suggestions/Comments:
Tamer is a unique class with the appearance of a young female. Controversial topics aside, it seems there is a lacking decision on her visual presence. What does this mean? Tamer has to share her items with Shai, and only rarely gets Shai items in return. Shai gets unique outfits for her own reasons. However, there is never an 'agreed' exchange with all outfits for Tamer.
Tamer would benefit from having both the 'Mature' class outfits and the Shai equivalent as a CHOICE - not one or the other.
Case 1: Halloween Outfits
Tamer would benefit from having both the 'Mature' class outfits and the Shai equivalent as a CHOICE - not one or the other.
Case 1: Halloween Outfits
The most obvious 'outfit sharing' - Shai has taken Tamer's original halloween outfit. Because Tamer does not have a Ram Horn or a Gloomy Fox, she got Fairy Jackie.
Years later, Shai adopts the outfit. On top of this, all of Tamer's halloween Cosplay Box outfits are Shai outfits (Florchestra, Skippity Hoppity), but she is permitted to get Vespena/Demonic and Angelic Queen/'Mature' variant of Bloody, Pumpkin, etc. It feels (yes, thats an OPINION and not fact) like Tamer as a class with cosmetics has been cornered into a 'yes and no' category; forced to only have the Shai wear for Cosplay, as the other outfits for other classes might not be suitable for her youthful appearance but gets to have non-class specific outfits like Shelle Belle just fine... wait, huh?
Case 2: Jewelry and Accessories
Years later, Shai adopts the outfit. On top of this, all of Tamer's halloween Cosplay Box outfits are Shai outfits (Florchestra, Skippity Hoppity), but she is permitted to get Vespena/Demonic and Angelic Queen/'Mature' variant of Bloody, Pumpkin, etc. It feels (yes, thats an OPINION and not fact) like Tamer as a class with cosmetics has been cornered into a 'yes and no' category; forced to only have the Shai wear for Cosplay, as the other outfits for other classes might not be suitable for her youthful appearance but gets to have non-class specific outfits like Shelle Belle just fine... wait, huh?
Case 2: Jewelry and Accessories
Unique hairpin aside, as Shai also has Dumpling Headdress and Fleece Hat as a normal helmet, Tamer has NO earrings or facial piercings.
Every time you see a Tamer with earrings in, it will be the all-class items that are found during events.
Understandably, Shai has no facial piercings - those reasons are not relevant to this thread - but Tamer lacks earrings all together (besides the extremely rare Water Lily earrings which were release ONCE in the shop as a 40 eur bundle and then once more in a Twitch Prime code), as well as facial piercings.
If facial piercings are an option for non-Shai females, but Shai gets a variety of earrings, why is Tamer left with neither?
Case 3: Sharing 'exclusive' idles shoves Tamer further into a category which she is only a slight part of!
Every time you see a Tamer with earrings in, it will be the all-class items that are found during events.
Understandably, Shai has no facial piercings - those reasons are not relevant to this thread - but Tamer lacks earrings all together (besides the extremely rare Water Lily earrings which were release ONCE in the shop as a 40 eur bundle and then once more in a Twitch Prime code), as well as facial piercings.
If facial piercings are an option for non-Shai females, but Shai gets a variety of earrings, why is Tamer left with neither?
Case 3: Sharing 'exclusive' idles shoves Tamer further into a category which she is only a slight part of!
As there are many different idles in the game for hundreds of outfits, you will just have to trust me if you do not play Tamer first hand. However, I hope the above image can convey what I am trying to tell you - Tamer has exclusive 'emotes', sitting animations, outfit idles, and even a unique death animation. She was the only flat-footed female class, and has the cursed Short Cape. Since Shai now shares all of these, it feels like they are now stuck in their own category together. If the similarities run this deep, then why are cosmetics so different? If you ask me, I think Shai should have gotten her own set of animations to avoid this.
Bonus Case - The flute stabbed into Tamer's back.
Bonus Case - The flute stabbed into Tamer's back.
Tamer was just the template for Shai. It is no coincidence her weapons look that way - she used to play her sword sheath like a flute to summon Heilang, and also Absorb Heilang. Now, the animation is nowhere to be found (not even as an RP emote, alongside with the removal of our sitting Heilang that Maegu now stole) with Shai taking it.
You can see the original way Tamer would call upon her beast here: https://www.invenglobal.com/blackdesertonline/skill/detail/1347
It is just non stop cross-over for these two girls.
Okay, so how do we fix it?
You can see the original way Tamer would call upon her beast here: https://www.invenglobal.com/blackdesertonline/skill/detail/1347
It is just non stop cross-over for these two girls.
Okay, so how do we fix it?
I'm not a game dev, nor am I clever; I am a Tamer main with a love for cosmetics. But my two (three) cents are this;
- Give Tamer both options of outfits when Shai gets an exclusive type that is very visually different (so, disregard outfits like Fairy Jackie that gain only Hoisery for Shai as this difference is not significant; same for Snowflake, Frostbite, Soiree, etc.)
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- Give Tamer a mature body option in Character creation to match her plethora of shared 'mature' outfits which she does share with other classes to close a gap between what Tamer is and is not
OR
- Give Tamer both options of outfits when Shai gets an exclusive type that is very visually different (so, disregard outfits like Fairy Jackie that gain only Hoisery for Shai as this difference is not significant; same for Snowflake, Frostbite, Soiree, etc.)
OR
- Give Tamer a mature body option in Character creation to match her plethora of shared 'mature' outfits which she does share with other classes to close a gap between what Tamer is and is not
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- Going forward, offer the Shai equivalent of the outfits to all female classes. For example, the Shai version of Kibelius and Marine Romance is just plain superior, and I'm sure other classes would prefer it over the 7eleven bag we currently have. This one is a little more unfair as I know Shai love having their own thing and have gotten some elements like Bard-ing and global horse whistle taken from them to share with everyone else - but thats an adjacent topic for a Shai to make in a new thread as this is about Tamer only. Don't be awkward plz.
Why did I make this post?
Why did I make this post?
That new cat themed outfit is adorable. I know for a fact many Tamer mains are very annoyed this is not an option for Tamer - or for other classes - and we will probably only get the option of the blue Alice Dress which Tamer already has many variants of. The Shai variant of this outfit release is adorable and it is also by default the colour of the original Tamer class icon! It is practically begging to be made for Tamer too.
I'd love to hear other Tamer opinions on this. How would you solve this? Or, do you just want something specific? Thanks for reading!
I'd love to hear other Tamer opinions on this. How would you solve this? Or, do you just want something specific? Thanks for reading!
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Oct 16, 2023, 20:42 (UTC)
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Tamers unite!
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Picklenose
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Oct 16, 2023, 21:22 (UTC)
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We are kind of in between identities as far as cosmetics go. I do hope at the very least, we get access to actual accesories. You worded and voiced the plight perfectly.
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Oct 17, 2023, 19:06 (UTC)
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Yes plz i'm want the shai version of the new halloween outfit on tamer ~ !!! OwO
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HimeKitten
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Oct 17, 2023, 20:16 (UTC)
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The tail from the shai version of the wonderland outfit is so cute<3 I would love to have it on tamer if it fits on her character model.
The shai Taebaek outfit looks much better than the "normal" version too. It's annoying that we don't have both options to choose from.
Maybe for Christmas please? :)
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Oct 18, 2023, 17:33 (UTC)
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this outfit fits so well for tamer! why pa why....
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Oct 20, 2023, 08:20 (UTC)
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PA decided to give us 2 options of outfit swap with shai that aren't popular but an outfit that would perfectly suit on tamer isn't available for us. GRRRR
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Oct 20, 2023, 12:51 (UTC)
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I insta bought that wonderland oufit for Shai, best outfit ever, it's just so adorable. PA could of gotten twice the money of me if only Tamer had the same outfit.
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Nov 5, 2023, 22:34 (UTC)
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i guess we can only hope for an outfit swap that includes this ...
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