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Gear progression is not special anymore, and PVP has become dead content.
Oct 16, 2023, 21:23 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Oct 17, 2023, 17:26 (UTC)
# 11
On: Oct 16, 2023, 21:23 (UTC), Written by ShakyBay

 There have been a lot of QOL and lots of huge changes to the game. A lot of the changes were positive recently but there are some really bad ones that should get a second look.

Gear Progression in BDO is starting to feel very useless and to be more of a chore.

- Gear gains don't matter in node wars anymore, as everything is mostly capped.

- gear gains also don't matter too much in PVE either, due to PVE Caps.

- For a lot of players ( Not all) the reason to gear up was for PVP. That is completely gone out of the game now with the caps and removal of GVGs basically.

- The gear caps are very low in PVP in general, and no, the option isn't just "raise the caps" The caps are also very hard to balance. Every class functions differently in every tier, due to class to class modifiers/class passives/certain classes functioning differently at higher end and lower end. Having most of the game be capped INCLUDING PVE is just really not healthy for people who wish to push gear. 

I agree that forced PVP is a bad take in any game, that was very abnormal for BDO to do that, however a lot of the PVE playerbase assumed "ARSHA" is a bonafide pvp server.

These days, it really is not. Arsha's 50% drop rate isn't special anymore, as 50~100% drop rates are given out almost every other 3 weeks, as well as old moon scrolls and GM buffs. With the removal of gvgs, arsha did not get more popular. The reason for that is because most people view it as a drop rate server. There isn't an inbetween. It's either, a super dead server, or it instantly becomes a giant zerg fest. Arsha by design, wants you to go grind to make money, where PVP negates it. I'm not asking for one sided GVGs to get turned on, what I'm asking for is that PA needs to consider adding actual PVP Content to the game that rewards its playerbase for pvping. The only reason BDO was grief city is because BDO doesn't have any PVP content, so the only content was for people to grief others, as stupid as that sounds that is the absolute truth to situation. It's mostly PA's fault for not making PVP a rewarding activity where as most other games reward you for PVPINg as much as PVE or lifeskilling.

PVP has become a silver sink, and it should not.

-Elixirs

-Draughts

-The new gourds from LOML are a HUGE Silver sink and have completely invalidated the INF HP pot almost.

-Whale tendons

- Popping a Dekhia Lantern on Arsha is fully inting if a PVP breaks out.

 -No NW/Siege payout is paying you enough for PVP, especially if you are using gourds, which most sweaty pvpers are using including myself.

PVP should be accessible to all kinds of players, not just one group of people. Let seasonals have their cap, and maybe a mid game, and that's really it. Keep everything else uncapped for the most part. And for the uncapped content, it should be catered for both small groups of people and big groups of people. I'm also on the opinion that Nodewar/siege is not enough PVP content for players to enjoy at this point. 1h-3H a day during a certain time window isn't really enough for a lot of players who Enjoy PVP. With the context of how much players spend to just pvp, not only does PVP need to be rewarding, but there needs to be more game modes/content in the game to where if all a player wants to do is PVP, then they should be rewarded and be able to progress through PVP as well. Most other popular MMORPGS offer PVP as a viable route for gear progression, where as BDO is entirely shutting this part of the game off and it's very backwards considering bdo has "The Best combat". Right now most of BDO's "PVP" content is only catering to zerg fests. This doesn't mean take out zerg fest content. It means to also add smaller group content for pvp as well.

Arsha needs to get a rework. Arsha should function entirely different from the regular servers to where it becomes a PVEVP server of some sort, right now it isn't that. There's no organic reason to fight on arsha, and it's just outdated and lazy "Content" at this point. Slapping on PVP on a server when PVP is a silver sink is not the solution.

Other feedback would be appreciated.

Shaky i may have a lot of issues with your content, including how you represent yourself in PVP but that is your own content and you end up taking the brunt of a lot of Meme's do to it  That said no matter of my opinion of you, you are a content creator... as well as a highly recognizable figure within the BDO community.

So for that i would like to welcome your opinion to these forums, You among a lot of content creators have finally made yourself visible in ONE of the few places that PA may actually listen.

No guarantee here but at least it is a start in the right direction and i would appreciate it if you could at least suggest other content creators to start posting in these forums along with there membership without it we will NEVER effect ANY CHANGE AT ALL. There are so few of us here in these forums that have been a vocal sounding post FOR YEARS trying to get PVP changes within the BDO community all to get drowned out by those that literally make zero sense and hate PVP OR BDO..... OR THAT DONT EVEN PLAY BDO ANY LONGER.

We need voices here not in a few months or weeks.. if there was a time were we needed the community to come together it is NOW. Without a campaign of pushing PA to do something there will never be a serious attempt by PA to Fix this game in a manner that makes it more fun for everyone.. You mention in Pansy "current state of end game" that PA doesnt know what its target audience is.....

Well i can promise you this its because those players and content creators DO NOT make there voices heard in the places that matter that PA will see. Get everyone together Get them posting here in these forums PA and the Development team have stated over and over that they will be watching in the OFFICAL BDO channels for ideas and directions... 

The purest forms of OFFICIAL CHANNELS ARE THESE FORUMS IF YOU DON'T USE THEM PA DOESNT SEE IT.

Last Edit : Oct 17, 2023, 18:36 (UTC)
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It sounds all nice and dandy but in the end it's usually high gear score players destroying lower geared players in the end. PA is sick of it, which is why they've taken such a direct stance against via node war nerfs and gvg nerfs. There comes a time with every MMORPG when it eventually caters to casual players and you're delusional if you expect anything to happen. (See same 10 people on alt accounts posting silly threads everyday about PvP)

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Last Edit : Oct 17, 2023, 19:01 (UTC)
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game is fine. If pa keeps making solo grindable treasures i will keep the gear treadmill

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Last Edit : Oct 17, 2023, 19:20 (UTC)
# 15
On: Oct 17, 2023, 19:01 (UTC), Written by Adonaj

game is fine. If pa keeps making solo grindable treasures i will keep the gear treadmill

Yea, your right. BDO is doing great that what the numbers are saying :D

 Nothing to see here after all. Game is doing better than ever.

Last Edit : Oct 17, 2023, 19:48 (UTC)
# 16
On: Oct 17, 2023, 19:20 (UTC), Written by Notourious

Yea, your right. BDO is doing great that what the numbers are saying :D

 Nothing to see here after all. Game is doing better than ever.

Don't forget their financials ;) game is in it's best state ever

Last Edit : Oct 17, 2023, 20:06 (UTC)
# 17

Step 1 -Listen to "players" who don't want to play your game.

Step 2 - Change your game according to "players" who don't want to play your game.

Step 3 - Core playerbase is leaving the game because you changed it into something they didn't come to.

Step 4 - See your 1 project complany dying in every aspect.

Step 5-  "Players" who didn't want to play the game move to another victim.

Keep in mind this is not unique to BDO, majority of MMORPG"s dying that way, because greedy developers want to increasse playerbase by atracting players who not into MMORGP's, as result players who was there for MMORPG leaving and newly atracted players just moving on.

All of this could be prevent, only, if only PA listened to verified players - no active game account = f*ck off with your feedback

Also very important part - never ever listen to any content creator - they not here to improve your product they there to make money out of it, once you dry out they just move while trash talk you on their way out.

Last Edit : Oct 17, 2023, 20:16 (UTC)
# 18
On: Oct 17, 2023, 17:26 (UTC), Written by ReconKangas

Shaky i may have a lot of issues with your content, including how you represent yourself in PVP but that is your own content and you end up taking the brunt of a lot of Meme's do to it  That said no matter of my opinion of you, you are a content creator... as well as a highly recognizable figure within the BDO community.

So for that i would like to welcome your opinion to these forums, You among a lot of content creators have finally made yourself visible in ONE of the few places that PA may actually listen.

No guarantee here but at least it is a start in the right direction and i would appreciate it if you could at least suggest other content creators to start posting in these forums along with there membership without it we will NEVER effect ANY CHANGE AT ALL. There are so few of us here in these forums that have been a vocal sounding post FOR YEARS trying to get PVP changes within the BDO community all to get drowned out by those that literally make zero sense and hate PVP OR BDO..... OR THAT DONT EVEN PLAY BDO ANY LONGER.

We need voices here not in a few months or weeks.. if there was a time were we needed the community to come together it is NOW. Without a campaign of pushing PA to do something there will never be a serious attempt by PA to Fix this game in a manner that makes it more fun for everyone.. You mention in Pansy "current state of end game" that PA doesnt know what its target audience is.....

Well i can promise you this its because those players and content creators DO NOT make there voices heard in the places that matter that PA will see. Get everyone together Get them posting here in these forums PA and the Development team have stated over and over that they will be watching in the OFFICAL BDO channels for ideas and directions... 

The purest forms of OFFICIAL CHANNELS ARE THESE FORUMS IF YOU DON'T USE THEM PA DOESNT SEE IT.

100%.  If memory serves me, didn't we have a huge riot, like 5-6 years back?  Where everyone gathered on one channel in Calpheon to riot against some change the devs made?  It was a long time ago, but I swear the commuity banded together at one point like that to get the devs' attention.

That sort of close-knit community is long gone.  BDO isn't a close-knit, player-driven-open-world PvEvP MMO anymore.  It's a solo-player grinder with instances.  Which is fine if it worked...but looking at Steam player counts and financial reports, it doesn't seem like it is.

Last Edit : Oct 17, 2023, 20:40 (UTC)
# 19
On: Oct 17, 2023, 18:36 (UTC), Written by zBoo

It sounds all nice and dandy but in the end it's usually high gear score players destroying lower geared players in the end. PA is sick of it, which is why they've taken such a direct stance against via node war nerfs and gvg nerfs. There comes a time with every MMORPG when it eventually caters to casual players and you're delusional if you expect anything to happen. (See same 10 people on alt accounts posting silly threads everyday about PvP)

I'm a little confused as to why you even replied to my post. Judging from your response I don't think you read anything I said in the post. I do frequent these forums to see what the players are thinking. I don't really post here much, but I do know that you specifically are insanely Anti PVP and want nothing to do with it. Everything I'm requesting caters to casual players? Re read the OP with a open mind, in a calm manner with out getting triggered by the word "PVP" then provide proper feedback. I don't know why you are sitting here speaking in a demeaning way at all. "See same 10 people on alt accounts on pvp" no, that's not the case at all.

Last Edit : Oct 17, 2023, 20:42 (UTC)
# 20
On: Oct 17, 2023, 07:55 (UTC), Written by Hexloc

in the most part I agree but BDO simply has lost its way where PvP/GvG is concerned.

There is no true PvP content in this game anymore, having come from Dark Age of Camelot which to me was the best PvP/GvG/Seige War game ever built.

99% of the people still playing it do so for the PvP content alone, battle grounds ranked only by level, Hell most of the players do not even go to level cap anymore, they gear up for molvik which is a lvl 29 battle ground. then you turn off XP gain and stay there. Or they Siege in Realm on there mains night after night.

Crafting your own gear to give you an edge on your oponent but in the end it does come down to skill and your team mates.

There is none of that in BDO but they could with a few simple tweeks, Instance Cron Castle for example (other old castles are available), make it like Tuvala gear which is PvP specific. To Enhance it you need to do battle grounds for the enhancment stones. Ranking systems done on points to give you special gear/buffs and skills specific to your class.

None of it can be used outside of PvP as you would die to a normal mob instantly. But the reward is in PvP is that you can compete.

They are absolutly going in the right direction for PVE but the progression side takes months if not years for some, people don't have that kind of time anymore. But you could gear up a PvP toon in a month and still be playing years later for the same content.

Different character/class, Higher ranking, the chance to get your team holding Cron Castle from all challengers. 

DAoC has been going strong for 22 years, doesnt look great anymore but no one playing it cares, its so much fun standing on the top of a keep which you have just won against 2 other realms/teams.

But I doubt any of that will happen, so we are stuck with what we have. but hey we can live in hope...right!!!

Agree with you, PVE is definitley going in the right direction, except for PVE Caps and not adding group content, dungeons, raids, guild content, bossing etc.

Definitley do miss the fact that other MMOS had a lot of craftable gear. BDO Is SERIOUSLY lacking in that department.

And yeah, PVP needs to be viable route to progress, just like PVE and lifeskilling are, def agree with you.

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