Hey guys I've returned to Black Desert Online after about a nearly one year hiatus, been around for a month and a half now, and honestly besides me now needing to buy value packs using loyalties the game has been pretty solid. Love the little improvements that have occured over the last few months, however there's a few things that need to be addressed and I will be expanding on that further below. Also, feel free to discuss down below as you guys could add some things that went over my head when writing this. I will provide a TLDR later on once more feedback and suggestions come in. With that said lets jump right into the meat of the content:

Dungeons:

Currently there is no real reason to do the dungeons, as opposed to just grinding elsewhere and make more silver/h, even on Seasonal there's really no incentive to do them, as you can just run Rifts and make more gains in the same amount of time it takes to do either Attoraxion/Yola/Syca.

My proposal, is to actually make certain classes when in a dungeon instance or queued up for one, have adjustments to their stats.

Example 1: Tanky classes like Warrior, Striker, Guardian, Nova, Mystic and Drakania gain an additional 20DP and 300hp, a larger FG gauge +5% incoming healing and 100% aggro on all mobs within 30m of them regardless of who is around, with the addition to steal aggro by dealing damage to mobs/bosses to fufill their tank role, these would be the designated tank classes (take the numbers with a grain of salt, the idea is to try and give classes an identity when in a dungeon instance).

Example 2: Support classes like Valkyrie, Shai, Witch and Wizard gain an additional +20% cast speed +3% outgoing healing and effects last 10% longer with the cavaeat of -20AP to compensate. Or even +10% movement speed too as well, obviously mobs and bosses will do much more damage to non tank classes, lets say 30% for normal dungeons and hardcore will double or even triple that. (My whole premise of this post is to really encourage group play besides grinding Oluns or Turos or Trees, I'd like to see people come together to tackle on the dungeons, and actually require teamwork and not just playing a puzzle simulator. ) Now back to the examples, lets move on to the last category.

Example 3: The rest of the bunch aka the remaining classes will be the designated 'DPS' role, for those who arent keeping track it will be, Woosa, Maegu, Ninja, Kunoichi, Sage, Berserker, Corsair, Musa, Maewha, Ranger, Archer, Sorceress, Dark Knight, Lahn, Tamer and Hashashin. Now this role is pretty self explanatory you just do damage, but you have -200hp and -10DP in comparison to the rest of the roles. Again this only applies when in Queue for a Dugeon and while in said instance(s). This means you will have to be careful of where your tank is pulling mobs and also pay attention to the boss mechanics alot more as most of the time you will be positioned behind the boss for back attacks. Being at the front can cause serious damage or a potential one shot. But again, obviously thats common sense, this is just being stated to communicate to those who might not be aware or are confused on what I am trying to say or the vision I am proposing. 

Now lets get into the specs because not everyone would want to be locked into tank role or support. Here is my suggestion, all Succession specs for the above tank classes will be designated Tankers. Awakening specs can be DPS. Unfortunately, everyone wont be happy because I know theres some people out there who prefer Succession and would like to queue as a DPS but that won't be possible. Continually, the same will apply to the Support classes mentioned above, with the exception of Valkyrie and Shai being Valk has more teamplay capabilities/ buffs whilst in awakening and Shai has no succession spec. (Afterthought, Succession Valk could be moved to tank role what do you guys think?). 

Additonally, all parties for dungeons must be in a 2/2/1 format(2 DPS - 2 Support - 1 tank) or in rarer cases a 3/1/1 format (3 DPS - 1 support - 1 tank). Note** This is for public queues only: for custom queues there should be freedom of choice, if you want to go 5 succession woosa's be my guest. 

Finally lets talk about the completion rewards, currently, again, the rewards are a bit lackluster which gives little to no motivation to actually complete these in comparison to the plethora of other content BDO has to offer where you can make the same if not more in the same amount of time with less effort and less people involved. My suggestion is to add a [Weekly] Conqueror of (Enter Dungeon Name Here) which rewards you with a Mystical Cron Stone Bundle or a Shakatu Box of your choice for each dungeon completed. *Once per family Once per week, resets every Thursday 0:00 UTC*. Also every normal completion the final boss should have a probability of dropping yellow grade and higher accessories and gear. For hardcore completions we could move that up to TRI (again take this with a grain of salt, these are just suggestions on things that would actually give us the players more reason to do these dungeons). I have literally sat in an Attoraxion queue for 8+ hours one day and I do not think Im the only one who has had a similar experience either.

Party Finder :

Please add tabs and categories to party finder/platoon such as: Questing, Grinding, Turos, Gyfin, Trees, Oluns, Chill, RP, just basic things most people in an mmo search for or want. Then upon selecting your category you can expand and find more detailed options from the user who formed the party. Or add a search function to easily find a party for what you want Ex: there's a vell spawn coming up and you are in need of a platoon you can search 'vell' and see a list of all available platoons with their corresponding server instead of asking in server chat or group chat. I've been typing this for more than an hour and my brain is all over. Thank you for your time. Hopefully we can make it to the boards with this one. "Doing things alone is fun, but doing things together with people is better". 

Useless suggestions.

Also the reward it gives technically worth it compared to grinding, that is if you know what are you doing.

hey guys theres no reason to do dungeons

please listen to my suggestions which change nothing about there being no reason to do dungeons

ty

you know i don't mind your comment, but if you're not going to add ways to improve the post, then why are you here? I made this as an idea where we can brainstorm together and collaborate as one community to create the ideal content we the players deserve. For someone who comments on a lot of forum posts im disappointed that you couldn't at least provide proper feedback for me, and with that said, I hope you enjoy your day/night. 

same thing as the last guy: if you're going to reply please respond with actual feedback. "hey i liked this, here's why and you should do more of this" or "hey this sucked, here's why and this is what I think would be better" Closed mouths don't get fed, this is a open discussion, that's all i'm asking, feel free to say what you will. Again, i'm disappointed that you have so much experience and the best you could say is "here's my response to ur suggestions which doesn't actually help improve ur suggestions, ty". I was looking foward to an actual response because I know there's definitely more knowledgeable individuals in the community that can help. Anyways, thank you and have a good day. And I hope you can come back with some actual criticism for me when you read this.

nothing to critisize you have made zero point for anyone to even start arguing against 

you stated a problem and then proceed to derail yourself in a tirad that doesnt address the problem whatsoever

try again but actually try addressing the problem

if you dont know what the problem u urself posted read my summary first post

Agree with the replies to be honest, you identified a problem but gave an non-fix solution.

The real solution would be to just buff the rewards, most people don't do this content because while the average rewards are pretty good, the MINIMUM rewards you can get are quite demoralising if you get unlucky.

Buffing the loot shouldn't be an issue, it can only be done twice per week so its not like it can be abused anyway.

Its only worth doing dungeons if you are gearlords and can speedrun it.

Ps. Pearl Abyss made a public post saying they would never do a trinity-meta (tank/supp/dps) for any form of content as they don't want players to feel forced like they must play certain classes (contrary to what their balance team does).

there's always something to criticise, theres always room for improvement, I could have made the post a whole lot better but I already spent an hour plus writing and brainstorming. I said "I have faith in the community, lets make an actual discussion, hoping one of you can tear my post apart and identify specifically what is wrong here and help me out". I will do what you said, my intentions was always to re-write this post but include everyone's thoughts/ideas/suggestions and not only mine. I just wanted to set the mold and let us continue to poor the clay in together as we see fit. Appreciate the response nonetheless.

There was only one person besides you replying, but I see what you mean, you say buff rewards I get it but there also has to be a fun factor which is why I suggested a trinity-method to encourage group play, because I mean the premise of my post was for content that everyone can enjoy, Oluns-Turos are pretty high end spots and not alot of new players get to experience proper group content till then. Im trying to cater to casuals as well along with the NPE(new player experience). I understand most on the forums here are veterans and have been around much longer than I have, experience is the best teacher afterall. I found something I am passionate about and want to see changed, and I was hoping for help because i've only been here for a year and would like some guidance. I know some of you could have some super saucy ideas that I would never think of in a million years. I'll have to double down and just do better with my post when I re-make it, I'll do my best to not dissapoint this time. Also, I didnt know they said that, thank you for putting that in, but if enough people come together anything is possible. I appreciate the response. 

To be fair, nobody in this game plays this game cause it's "fun".

If we're being truly honest, 90% of the game itself is pretty boring. You farm for hours and hours killing the exact same mobs, you can't tell me that's fun....

The progress on the other hand is fun and the progress can only come through with money. People do dungeons for the money from the rewards, I agree buffing the rewards itself would make dungeons more appealing.

Dungeon mechanics are "fun" enough themselves, however like Ascenn "the MINIMUM rewards you can get are quite demoralising if you get unlucky". I did dungeons the other day and I was in a party of people that had never done it. It took us around 4h to complete the dungeons and they all got good rewards while I got mostly Narc's and other low value accessories. THAT right there is demoralising and anti-fun. No one wants to do dungeons for so long and get rewards that you could afford by grinding for 15 minutes.