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Too much 'RNG' in Game creates painful progression - What do you think?
Nov 27, 2023, 08:04 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Nov 27, 2023, 08:06 (UTC)
# 1

When I play an MMORPG, I expect some RNG but not every-single-thing. While they have given us Jetina reform weapon/armor this is great. There still is way too much RNG. I fully understand you're not supposed to get to End Gear / End Game in one day, a week, a month, many months.. But I don't expect to be stuck playing RNG games to progress in many parts of the game overall. 


What should PA do? What do other MMORPGs do when it comes to progression overall? PA makes money from skins/special items that enhance your game play which is fine, they have to make money to keep a game going. I don't think there's any issue there. But the whole RNG system is being way overused/abused to me, so I don't know how to satisfy those who want to gamble and or lose item(s) from failures.

What do others think? I'm curious to know. To those who have PEN (V) on all their gear/accesories (from enhancing mostly), have Tier 10 Horse, best Fairy with best skills with best levels, with best pets with best skills.... congratulations, that's a lot of painful work to do.

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Last Edit : Nov 27, 2023, 09:00 (UTC)
# 2

Give it a thought. This is PA's game, Asian game. And your gameplay diffculty is set in Asian-mode by default .

It's not that i disagree with you, it's just the fact that PA will never do it because the purpose of playing the game is to reach higher Gear Score. There is no fun content beside endless grind & rewardless PVP content, so the process of going through painful moment then to finally success to get what you want is the way of BDO. 

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Skins/outfit

The most of reason outfits sells is because of Cron stones, in BDO outfit is more then just apperance. PA wants you to see your outfit and think "I have more then 800 cron right now! i..i.. i can melt it!!, no worries, i will buy new outfit again...", That temptation is why outfit sells alot. Personally, i want RNG to actually get better, like When using cron stones to enhance accessories, I don't want to lose my necklace enhance lvl & the enhancing necklace.

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Example (MrRapolas)

Last Edit : Nov 27, 2023, 17:25 (UTC)
# 3

There is certainly a lot of RNG. 

But you really can avoid so much of that RNG if you choose to. Many of the most very geared players I know, are people who steadily saved silver and then bought PEN items. There are so many little things that are profitable, that add up. It's not *only* grinding. A lot of the little things can be done afk, or barely paying attention, or just a few minutes attention each day. Or things even happen automatically, like just collecting node war prizes while being in a guild that does those things. It's very possible to become a player who has full PEN gear without ever having to gamble for it; even Wailing Slumbering Origin armors sell, and although it's still very rare even Deborekas sell, too. 

Now some people will say to me, "but those items were made through gambling, someone had to gamble; if we all stop gambling there will be no items to save up to buy!" - and that is not really true, because the gambling in BDO is on average profitable; and even if it wasn't on average profitable, there'd still be shortcut-seekers who do it anyway and supply the buyers. The supply won't dry up, so if you want to save and buy, just save and buy. You will progress, there is no worry. 

On another note, unless you do the few high-end PvP things that allow full gear, this is mostly irrelevant to you anyway. A 680GS player vs a 750GS player won't matter in Arena of Solare, or in a T1, T2,T3 node war. Probably not a huge deal in T4 node war either, but I could see it mattering so I won't say it doesn't. So if you don't join a T5 node war or if you don't try to contest a grindspot at Tungrad Ruins in Arsha-PvP server... I'd really argue that the gear is something that shouldn't cause so much stress for you, just take it easy and go at your own pace instead of getting caught up in a sense of urgency that isn't necessary. 

Last Edit : Nov 28, 2023, 11:05 (UTC)
# 4

I'm literally 53 attempts in on just my PEN BS mainhand at almost a 295 stack, and have 2 more attempts of crons saved up again

Yet there are people that can get it on a 180 stack or less, or even first try? There's RNG, and then there's "Okay, I feel like I'm just getting scammed, now"

I've wasted outfits I actually liked and and tons of cron boxes that constantly just give the lowest amounts ... Also wasted artisan memories on repairs, and tens of billions just for failstacking my other BS weapon

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These RNG boxes need to change their loot pools

Them giving you 5-9 crons is a slap in the face.

When enhancements used to take 100-200 crons, I could see it being a lot

But some take over 3,800 per attempt

Do they expect us to buy 750+ of boxes, if that's all it gives.

Last Edit : Nov 28, 2023, 17:11 (UTC)
# 5
On: Nov 27, 2023, 17:25 (UTC), Written by Veltas

But you really can avoid so much of that RNG if you choose to. Many of the most very geared players I know, are people who steadily saved silver and then bought PEN items.

True end game items build currently costs over 3000b, for an average player it will be about 10-15 years of grinding. What about manos? Next 10-15 years?

On: Nov 27, 2023, 17:25 (UTC), Written by Veltas

It's very possible to become a player who has full PEN gear without ever having to gamble for it

With crap not true ending pens. Currently end game is 320 AP 410 DP (suggested, i.e. you should have even higher statistics, especially when you play not op class). Most people I know who have been playing (because they recently stopped) since the premiere do not have such statistics. I would also like to know how many players have them, and how many of them got them without IS and melting outfits.

Rng progression and punishing players with lvl drops or items disappearing is the biggest stupidity that exists.

Last Edit : Nov 28, 2023, 18:20 (UTC)
# 6

IMO there should be a point where you can force with crons.  Like it requires 2 tet debo necks and 50k crons and you can get a 100% success chance to go pen.  

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Last Edit : Nov 29, 2023, 19:27 (UTC)
# 7

I think gear enchantment is outdated and should be reworked as soon as possible, especially when it comes to accessories. To hit pen debo you need 11k+ crons but looking at pen debo price it's worth trying, but what about lower grade accessories?

For pen disto attempt we need around 8k crons which is 24b (3m each cron) and you can get earing from cm for 19b based on EU server. Croned attempt is already more expensive than item itself, also if you fail and your item level decrease you will lose 24b in crons+19b earing 🤷

I think something is not right when it comes to accessories 🤔 

Last Edit : Dec 6, 2023, 01:32 (UTC)
# 8

U hade to rework the hole enhancing to:

Diligence over RNG

But PA dont do it.

So i thing enhancing witch crons has to give the half of FS to it.

Example 200FS PEN will give u 6FS ontop without crons, after change u enhance with crons and u get with a fail 203FS

TET crons 2FS ontop

TRI crons 1FS ontop

Accesorios dont decrade and always give +1FS ontop

Accesorios same FS as Gear without crons and not only +1FS.

That is what i would change.

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