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Late night talks, the inconsiderate them
Nov 30, 2023, 19:33 (UTC)
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# 37
On: Nov 30, 2023, 22:18 (UTC), Written by zBoo

J is not going to stop his vendetta of aquiring new players. It's in every business favor to keep aquiring new players. However the level of griefing will always be an issue in this game. For example, me being a 730gs player can go to any spot in valencia and kill new players for hours on end. Why? I don't need a reason. I get pleasure from ruining the game for new players. If they throw a tantrum in chat and say something wrong; well that's an easy chat ban or account ban. What new player after working 8 hours is going to want to play a game where they're blocked from progressing?

You could say "stay on season servers" yet they restrict you via gs caps...which isn't how the game suppose to be played. Linear progression should stay linear.

The OP posted in another thread sales figures, which has a corralation between players and profit. When both went down we started seeing heavy changes to PvP. J will continue removing aspects of PvP until new players become safe from griefing. You can either keep responding to weekly threads about how PvP is dead or stop the bleeding and make permement PvE severs. You guys are on the losing side of this. Cut your losses now imo.

EDIT:  Moved this bolded text to the beginning because it's the most important part of my repsonse.

But if there's ONE THING you get from my response, it's THIS:

>>> In the end, we ALL lose.  Stop this political BULL.  This isn't stupid POLITICS where it's one side vs the other.  WE'RE ALL PLAYERS OF THIS GAME.  IF THE GAME LOSES PLAYERS, LOSES PROFITS, WE ALL LOSE.  Do you even understand what this means? <<<

>>> LEAVE YOUR POLITICAL BULL OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION!!!  WE'RE ALL PART OF THE SAME COMMUNITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <<<

There's a lot of things you're failing to address in this heavily biased and one sided argument.  If we are to discuss properly, like people who actually give a damn about this game -- then OBJECTIVITY is what's needed, not biases.  I think that's why you're being called "woke", because "woke people" are stereotypically known to be heavily biased when it comes to things like cancel culture, which, by reading your comments, you are 100% in favor of.

1)  The problem isn't "aquiring new players", mentioning that as if people are against that is an strawman argument.  ReconKangas and others here are 100% for aquiring new players -- we play an MMORPG, after all.  The game can only function when it's Massively Multi Player.

2)  You fail to realize that, in BDO, there are multiple ways to "grief".  PK is only the dirt on the surface of the trash bin that is your opinion.  "Rotation griefing" is another way players can grief.  Following players around who are grinding and kill-stealing mobs.  In all forms of griefing, the game has MANY circumventative measures.  Channel swap every 5 mins, Home Channels for guilds, Marni's Realm every 2 hours, and more -- if a player is STILL being PK'd after these measures, then that's reasonable means of reporting.  However, if a player "rotation griefs", then the griefer will not follow them around channels because the reason they do it in the first place is to steal the spot.  "Rotation griefing" -- I've never heard of players getting banned for this, but it's an undeniable form of griefing in this game, one you failed to mention (hence, your biases showing and your true colors).

3)  No one can "Block a player from progressing".  See the above ways to avoid PVP in BDO.  No one will bother you to this fantasy-like extent if you don't bother anyone in BDO -- and if someone does try to mess with you like that -- swap channels, use Marni.  You worked an 8 hour day and just want to grind?  MARNI'S REALM.  Is it on cooldown and someone PK's you?  LET THEM GO RED.  OR SWAP CHANNELS.  Not rocket science.  There's safeguards in place to mitigate these things you're crying about.

4)  "A 730 GS can go to Valencia and kill new players for hours on end" -- They go RED for it, family-wide.  They get PK'd, they can lose crystals.  They can even DOWNGRADE GEAR -- Imagine a PEN Blackstar downgrading to TET --- That's over a 120 BILLION SILVER LOSS. 

Bandit (red) gameplay is a legitimate playstyle that's been part of BDO since the beginning and that is EASILY avoidable via the ways mentioned above.  This is a fantasy-level complaint.  As if there isn't anything in place to mitigate it.

5)  You also fail to mention the players in KR and how even THEY are complaining about the state of the game.  BDO is still a KOREAN MMO, did you forget?  They have players boycotting.  Players are leaving.  Where are all these new players now?  Even with all these care bear changes, why is J making apologies?  DId you even watch the stream where he's bowing down, did you even read the English transcript?  Did you even watch Enlaive's translation of it?  Did you do ANYTHING other than sit here and TAKE A DUMP on other people in the community,???  If all these care bear changes are indeed as good as you think they are, THEN WHY IS J APOLOGIZING????????  MAKE THAT MAKE SENSE

Last Edit : Dec 1, 2023, 01:14 (UTC)
# 38

While I agree that PA went too far, too fast with the gvg changes ( I would have put timers on one sided deccs to reduce abuse), I appreciate them moderating chat for racist, homophobic and antisemitic crap.  I don't think wokeism has anything to do with their bad gvg choices.  J has lost credibility - from the impulsive and drastic elimination of all one sided deccs to the unequal punishing of pkr's.  His latest comments smack of desparation and a lack of clear thinking.  Who asked for these gvg formats and node war changes?  He refuses to listen, and he needs to go.

Last Edit : Dec 1, 2023, 01:19 (UTC)
# 39
On: Nov 30, 2023, 21:29 (UTC), Written by zBoo

It's quite clear he wants new players, either we need implemented PvE servers to prevent higher gs players from getting griefed or remove PvP all together which would be amazing. PvP players have only themselves to blame. At this point what else do you have to lose? 

If so, he's badly mistaken.  I was in marketing for 12 years, and moved into General Management after being a VP of Marketing.  A standard metric is that EXISTING customers are more valuable lifelong customers than are new ones - often 3 to 10 times more profitable.  The cost to acquire and retain new customers is high.  A rookie mistake is to chase new customers at the expense of existing ones.  Unless you are already bleeding customers and lack the capabilities to keep them, you always prioritize your most profitable, existing base.  It'a marketing and sales truism that rarely fails.

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