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Redesign Shai
Dec 1, 2023, 19:26 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Dec 3, 2023, 20:04 (UTC)
# 11

They should just rework BDO Shai to be more like the mobile version. She's still a support class there and is probably still the worst at 1 on 1 PvP, but not anywhere near the same extreme.

Last Edit : Dec 8, 2023, 16:45 (UTC)
# 12

I agree with the OP wholeheartedly and I appreciate their posts simplicity to focus on stating the problem, why it is a problem and why we now need PA to think of changes. +1

Last Edit : Dec 14, 2023, 04:00 (UTC)
# 13

i use her as a life skill class can she get more weight please. also i would like to ride her boomerang longer use up less stamina and have a shorter cooldown

Last Edit : Apr 28, 2024, 00:17 (UTC)
# 14

REWORK SHAI!!!!

Protest now at MED1 heidel. 

Come join.

Last Edit : Apr 29, 2024, 06:53 (UTC)
# 15

I also agree.

I still cannot fathom how could they mess up the Shai this much, bringing in a strong support class into the game which is not based on the tank-support-dps trinity. I also hate that I, as a non-Shai player, am punished and my power is reduced due to the Shai. As far as I know, for example, Atoraxxion (Sycrakea, Yolunakea) mobs/bosses cannot be debuffed due to the simple reason that Shai misty haze would make them too easy to kill (like skipping phase2 of Vahmalkea boss with misty haze). They are reducing my power (skills, skill addons) due to an other class' skill existing in the game? Quite ridiculous, right?

Don't forget that reworking the Shai (removing the party buffs to be precise) also requires the rework of several current grind spots, which are pretty much useless if you don't have a Shai.

I'd bring up Dehkia Oluns as a major example, where having a Shai is literally MANDATORY, as the mobs use 2 types of CC there, and you can be immune (100% resist) to both ONLY with the Shai buff, you cannot get enough resist from crystals. And you simply cannot grind there if you don't have 100% resist, as you can get wrecked even in capped gear if you get one CC. I lost count how many times I died there due to the "Shai being bad" and not keeping up the buffs 100% time.

PA have to be careful here, as they tend to "forget" that making a change somewhere have significant impact elsewhere (eg. the guild galley being useless for years after Carrack implementation). With Shai rework, they need to review a lot of PVE/PVP content and adjust them to the lack of Shai in the party.

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Last Edit : Apr 29, 2024, 09:50 (UTC)
# 16
On: Apr 29, 2024, 06:43 (UTC), Written by Ponge85

I also hate that I, as a non-Shai player, am punished and my power is reduced due to the Shai. As far as I know, for example, Atoraxxion (Sycrakea, Yolunakea) mobs/bosses cannot be debuffed due to the simple reason that Shai misty haze would make them too easy to kill (like skipping phase2 of Vahmalkea boss with misty haze). They are reducing my power (skills, skill addons) due to an other class' skill existing in the game? Quite ridiculous, right?

These are some really great points you have here and exactly the issue with their design of shai. Buff/Debuff is fine if you plan it to work but if PA just thinks (as they did) that just creating it and adding it to game would be cool, well that is a recipe for breaking the game.

Last Edit : Apr 29, 2024, 15:14 (UTC)
# 17

Since this game is very single player focused, they need to design all areas with that in mind, so that all content is available to all players.  They should not assume that everyone is going to pair up with some essential class, have some essential tool, or whatever.  Those extra bells and whilstles should make the challenge easier, not make it such that you have no hope at all without them.

Besides, how can a Shai be a buff-bot for a Musa?  How could she keep up?, Unless her powers have an amazing range, which means, "Hey, you, just stand there, and spam those buffs, please."

How boring, menial and insulting.  Redesign Shai.

Last Edit : Apr 29, 2024, 16:37 (UTC)
# 18
On: Apr 29, 2024, 15:12 (UTC), Written by Musa4ever

Since this game is very single player focused, they need to design all areas with that in mind, so that all content is available to all players.  They should not assume that everyone is going to pair up with some essential class, have some essential tool, or whatever.  Those extra bells and whilstles should make the challenge easier, not make it such that you have no hope at all without them.

Besides, how can a Shai be a buff-bot for a Musa?  How could she keep up?, Unless her powers have an amazing range, which means, "Hey, you, just stand there, and spam those buffs, please."

How boring, menial and insulting.  Redesign Shai.

Yeah, it makes zero sense. It'd be different if this game was more group oriented. But it isn't. I don't think PA really knows what to do with them to be honest. They wanted to make her a 'support' class in a game that doesn't really have group content. They wanted her to be unique but then removed the things that made her so (life-skill focused and the only music oriented class). They kind of punish people for playing her it seems. They need to redesign her completely and flesh her out and remake her into a full-fledged class. But without removing what makes her special. Maybe expand on her main-hand abilities and give her succession for a dps focused build. Her awakened should be an actual full on bard focused on support. I wish they'd do that for ALL classes to be honest. Focus on what makes each class unique or special and focus on that. Expand on it. Make the classes stand out from each other. Mean something. Be immersive. Please Pearl Abyss, do the Shai class justice! She's the only playable Shai for Pete's sake.

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