Forcing PVP on to people is bad
Dec 7, 2023, 13:17 (UTC)
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On: Dec 7, 2023, 20:28 (UTC), Written by LordBagbuna
Your excuse not to play Arsha is exactly what i though it was. Explain us again why you are not playing Arsha? Exactly, cause people there actually PVP, and what to do that, and want to DFS, which is what the intended Open World PVP was. So Arsha is functioning exactly the way the game was supposed to function. You don't get silly penalty and you can't get Karma bombed, and you can't get grief by someone who want to grind over you. You don't have that problem, as you can freely kill them.
Seriosly you didnt understand?????????????????? You realise that Arsha has mobs too, mobs that you can kill. Just like any other server. The only diference is you dont have karma penalty for PK. Yes thats it. You can PvP on any normal server and Arsha, You can also PvE . And you said it but still cant understand - people pvp on arsha. Thats your own words. SO how can someone make proper grind when is bussy to PvP. If you still cant understand, then you need other help. I cant help more.
There is 45 servers, 2 of them currently are Arsha ones, the mass majorirt of people are in the Seasonal Servers, and currently there is 5 Crowded ones, and guess what it's the one with Item buffs, aka people want to PVE freely.
Still failing to understand.
I have never seen Arsha full, and it's the PVP server, if there was so much people that want to PVP freely, the server would have been crowded most of the time. Yet we have 43 servers, where they are 100% more populated, and people want to PVE freely.
You repeat yourself again, I guess its a glitch??
This forum is guarded by few fanatics, and forums is never really a story telling, cause it's not even 0.0001% of the game population.
You have to be beyond biased to tell that in any game the PVP community is the majority. In reality it will be good if it's even 10% of it.
Again you failed to understand what I wrote. I never claimed that PvP comunity is majority. Go read again cos you failing to understand again
And you are claiming we are hating on the PVP, which is not the case, which i already explained like 100 time. I never said you spicialy, I was talking about most people in forums, and thats a fact. But like you say forum is not representive to the comunite, yet shows enough. You alone chosed to put yourself in that group. Wonder why
Main reason i don't play Path of Exile is there is literally no PVP. Should I care? Its BDO forum
Maybe read better next time. No one is hating on the PVP. I'm against the idea of Forcing PVP and put a half-ars**** solution to it, when the solution is easy and clear. You repeat yourself again. Another glitch?
And why should you be threaten that the game will become empty if you claim that the majority want to PVPVE exactly ? Why you are scared of infinite Marni ? Cause you already know the answer that people actually don't want to be bother with PVP and want to freely PVE.
Because you are new player and you didnt expirience BDO as MMO. A place when you have to go, to find a free spot, and when you find it to keep it. With DFS or fight with PKrs and griefers. Yes that is fun to me and many other players. Grinding only is boring. Now when I go on top spots on bussy hours I dont see anyone. Its empty and borring grind. Sometimes when Im bored I go to Arsha, but Pvp there is too much and my grind is nothing . Because when there is no penalty to PvP death two people can fight endlesly. And yea Im not geared like you thing and to bully people. Im 702 GS from two weeks. I have my wins and my losses on Arsha. But for 342264567 time Arsha is PvPvE, normal servers are PvPvE for that there must be balance. Arsha is great for PvP... PvE only on low spots and early hours.
Most people don't like the stress of unregulated PVP in PVE game. And BDO gains the huge amount of player base this year, cause of the PVE focus.
You failing one little part. BDO is, actualy was PvPvE game. Its getting more liek single player game than PvE MMO. And you still failing to understand that after Marni and GvG changes BDO expirienced 3th biggest lost in players in its history. But go believe what you want, it wont change reality.
And whether you like it or not, the game is going to transform into more PVE.
For sure I dont like it. Thats why I losing my time on forums. Because expirienced that plague in other two MMOs. I wanted atlest give a shto to save this, But after all is just a game. When is no fun I will find another, or leave MMOs. Not big deal.
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# 22
On: Dec 7, 2023, 20:56 (UTC), Written by IWalkAlone
I have never seen Arsha full, and it's the PVP server, if there was so much people that want to PVP freely, the server would have been crowded most of the time. Yet we have 43 servers, where they are 100% more populated, and people want to PVE freely.
You repeat yourself again, I guess its a glitch??
That is because he's just using AI to write whatever then copy/pasting everything. Dude is straight up trolling, I would be surprised if he actually plays.
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On: Dec 7, 2023, 21:00 (UTC), Written by Centaurs4life
That is because he's just using AI to write whatever then copy/pasting everything. Dude is straight up trolling, I would be surprised if he actually plays.
Yea was thinking the same, just wanted to play a bit more ;)
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# 24
On: Dec 7, 2023, 20:11 (UTC), Written by LordBagbuna
Also i never suggest PVP to be hurt in any way. Hell i would like more PVP modes into this game. But forcing PVP into players are just straight up bad.
I have no problem you to be able to Open World PVP, but there is dedicated server for that, do that on people that are there and want to do that as well, not on people that don't PVP or have 1 hour and want to grind, but are griefed, lose their buffs, and their hour is screwed esentially.
They can just add 1 more PVP server, or simply make Marni 3-4 hours and to be the whole grinding spot.
Again i'm not against PVP i would like to PVP in the future, but not now, where i have so much to grind for gear, and don't have 10+ hours to do both.
I don't see why is a problem for PVP players that people can PVE freely and not being forced to PVP ? Forcing someone will either make them quit the game or just do something else instead, until they get bored and still quit. It won't make them play PVP, it's that simple.
Yes, "forcing PVP on other players" can be bad. This is why there is a penalty system called Karma that punishes unfair PK. While this system, IMO, is not complete nor well done (it can be way better), the point is there is a system in place that punishes unfair PK.
You know what's also bad? Kill stealing mobs or grinding on top of people. Except, guess what? There's no punishment for this. You can interrupt another player's grind session, kill steal mobs away, ruin their grind, and what -- what is there that prevents this? I'll tell you what prevents this, or in the very least, offers a way to counter this bad act.
1) Guild declaration of war.
2) Feed them to mobs.
In both scenarios mentioned above, swapping channels or using Marni are possible solutions. Since both scenarios can swap or use Marni to alleviate it, those solutions are not mentioned. The point here is to draw clearly defined lines between these two big forms of griefing in BDO (unfair PK and griefing rotations). One has a deterrant system (Karma) the other does NOT (unless you promote mob feeding, which I do not like in the least, but it's all we have).
The concept of "PvEvP" is a concept that has been with BDO since day 1. This is why the game -- to this day -- LITERALLY displays "You are now entering a combat zone" in big, red letters when you leave safe zones. Your charcater even blinks from green to red to further indicate and tell you that the open world HAS THE POSSIBILITY of being attacked. This is part of what PVEVP is -- players grind resources in the open world through farming monsters or lifeskill content and the entire open world HAS THE POSSIBILITY of PVP happening. That's PVEVP -- both PVE and PVP intertwined in the same game world, simultaneously.
Bringing Arsha into the conversation is also not a good argument. Becuase Arsha is PVP with no rules -- whereas in normal channels, it is PVP with rules. These are two entirely different concepts and game experiences and denying that is literally being a troll or being stupid. Arsha is Arsha -- I go there, other players go there, when we want PVP. On normal channels, players go there to grind -- but there's a problem because normal channels have had one the most reasonable way of defending againt rotation griefing taken away (one sided dec).
People ARE NOT complaining about reduced unfair PK, like you so willingly strawman people into believing. People are complaining about the removal of a player-driven way of defending one's self from a major form of griefing in BDO called rotation griefing, kill stealing mobs, or even what can be described as karma bombing, but no matter what term you use, it's griefing someone by messing with mobs (resources) instead of the player directly.
It was this aspect of BDO (one sided dec) that made BDO's open world experience unique. And for many, adding a sense of thrill, excitement, and motivation to gear up as OWPVP was one of the last remaining forms of uncapped PVP in a game where 90%+ of all PVP is capped. Even RBF has this stupid DR buff, it's not player's actual gear at play like open world. Plus, there's no other PVP experience like player-driven, community-made, organic OWPVP and GVG's -- PVP'ing in the open world, not a size limtied instance. This is content that was so much fun for many players and it's been effectively removed from the game...with the only GVG happening among the hardcore PVP guilds. For me, I'm in a small PVX guild and I work a lot IRL, so not much time to play, but the highlight of my BDO experience is a good GVG. We used to have GVG's up on a regular basis, but now, we have no GVG. Lots of our members left or stopped playing. Keep in mind, my small guild was all end-game geared players, our core are all above 720 - 730+ gear score.
Personally, since I don't play as much, these changes don't affect me much. I grind an hour a day, do a couple RBF's and or play other games or don't game. But my point is how these changes have upset a lot of players -- even in KR lots of people are complaining. Hence why the premiere of War of Roses was cancelled because KR players protested and didn't join. If BDO is doing so well, as you like to think -- then why is J apologizing? If BDO is doing so well, so many new happy players, all that -- then why is the leader APOLOGIZING? Make that make sense.
The problems could have been addressed much better. Now, player sentiment is at an all time low. Apprently, so is PA's stocks. I have only heard this, I don't have the numbers, but in me personal experience, lots of players are pissed. KR included. Open world feels dead. Gearing up feels less meaningful. End-game is running in circles grinding same mobs for thousands of hours, for gear that we can't even really use anyway.
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On: Dec 7, 2023, 13:17 (UTC), Written by LordBagbuna
Family Name: Adalwen
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Let people play what mode they want freely. If i want to PVE freely i should. Not everyone loves to PVP, and especially not everyone have the time to study every class to know their rotation, what skill is protected, etc, etc. And most new players will just Quit the game completely. I think it's very telling what people want just by looking the "servers" population, and what activity most people actually do.
I'm a competitive type of player, but you need so much time invested to learn so many thing, BDO has to be your main and your second job. To enjoy even partly OWPVP, you literally need to be decently geared, and to have a good understanding of most classes, on top of that, you still going to kill/die in 2 seconds, so it's still feel meh.
But most importantly Forcing something to players it's going to make them hate this thing, and it's what happen with the OWPVP.
I actively play 2-3 hours per day, and i recently changed my class to Ninja, as i'm high APM lover player. I love masterying my class, and the content i play.
I'm an ex Apex Legends Predator player, but currently i have no more then 2-3 hours playing. So i prefer to spend my time Grinding PVE, as it's relaxing, and enjoyable, especially with fast clicking. And there is a learning curve in perfecting your zone routine and improve your grinding results.
Now i'm not against PVP, but i don't get all the crying from the PVP players, and that they want to force PVP literally upon everyone. There is a dedicated server for this, and you get a 50% drop rate bonus on it. So what exactly is your problem ? Just play there, h?
Nqh, we all know that most people that are guarding the forum and are crying loudly don't want to actually PVP equl gear/skilled players, and they just want to grief players that just want to enjoy PVE, and don't have all day playing. As you need gear to do a proper PVP(except for AOS, which is most new and mid people like me enjoy).
Let's be real the crying is from griefers. They have their dedication PVP server, they also have plenty of PVP modes in the game. But they don't want that. They are actually bad, and just want to storm new players or ones that are entirely focusing on PVE.
This is equal to me being a Predator player, plays in a Bronze or Silver Lobby in Apex. Or a Vet CS:GO players, plays in a newplayer lobbies. Can you guess how many of the new players will actually stay in the game? Even the average/mid type of players that wants to become good, but want to play in equal lobbies?
It's the same situation in here.
The game is going in a decent direction. People loves PVE, and you see a huge wave of player base, because of the changes. A lot of these people will want to do PVP as well, but they don't want to be forced. When they are geared enough, and check that mark, they will start grinding the PVP aspect, practicing more and PVP. Forcing people to do PVP content, is going to drive your playerbase away. Same as listening to toxic people who think they have the right to say, cause they are simply no-lifers.
I hope we get dedicated PVE server in the future, where people can grind freely, and zones are just like a big Marni, aka Instance zone.
Just give the people freedom to do what they want. If they want to PVP, there is a dedicated server for that with zero penalty, if people want to PVE freely, let them do that.
Thank you.
New player here. And I never had those problems you described.
I already have ways to avoid other players and I almost never stumble upon other players.
But even if I do, I try to communicate.
On: Dec 7, 2023, 13:17 (UTC), Written by LordBagbuna
Let's be real the crying is from griefers. - In this topic I can see, who's the one crying here.
They have their dedication PVP server, they also have plenty of PVP modes in the game. But they don't want that. They are actually bad, and just want to storm new players or ones that are entirely focusing on PVE. - And did you actually ask them yourself to know what they want and what they don't want? And since we put it that way, did you ask me "what I want"?
The game is going in a decent direction. - Are you sure about that?
Just stop thinking about yourself.
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# 26
On: Dec 7, 2023, 13:17 (UTC), Written by LordBagbuna
Family Name: Adalwen
Region (NA/EU): EU
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Let people play what mode they want freely. If i want to PVE freely i should. Not everyone loves to PVP, and especially not everyone have the time to study every class to know their rotation, what skill is protected, etc, etc. And most new players will just Quit the game completely. I think it's very telling what people want just by looking the "servers" population, and what activity most people actually do.
I'm a competitive type of player, but you need so much time invested to learn so many thing, BDO has to be your main and your second job. To enjoy even partly OWPVP, you literally need to be decently geared, and to have a good understanding of most classes, on top of that, you still going to kill/die in 2 seconds, so it's still feel meh.
But most importantly Forcing something to players it's going to make them hate this thing, and it's what happen with the OWPVP.
I actively play 2-3 hours per day, and i recently changed my class to Ninja, as i'm high APM lover player. I love masterying my class, and the content i play.
I'm an ex Apex Legends Predator player, but currently i have no more then 2-3 hours playing. So i prefer to spend my time Grinding PVE, as it's relaxing, and enjoyable, especially with fast clicking. And there is a learning curve in perfecting your zone routine and improve your grinding results.
Now i'm not against PVP, but i don't get all the crying from the PVP players, and that they want to force PVP literally upon everyone. There is a dedicated server for this, and you get a 50% drop rate bonus on it. So what exactly is your problem ? Just play there, h?
Nqh, we all know that most people that are guarding the forum and are crying loudly don't want to actually PVP equl gear/skilled players, and they just want to grief players that just want to enjoy PVE, and don't have all day playing. As you need gear to do a proper PVP(except for AOS, which is most new and mid people like me enjoy).
Let's be real the crying is from griefers. They have their dedication PVP server, they also have plenty of PVP modes in the game. But they don't want that. They are actually bad, and just want to storm new players or ones that are entirely focusing on PVE.
This is equal to me being a Predator player, plays in a Bronze or Silver Lobby in Apex. Or a Vet CS:GO players, plays in a newplayer lobbies. Can you guess how many of the new players will actually stay in the game? Even the average/mid type of players that wants to become good, but want to play in equal lobbies?
It's the same situation in here.
The game is going in a decent direction. People loves PVE, and you see a huge wave of player base, because of the changes. A lot of these people will want to do PVP as well, but they don't want to be forced. When they are geared enough, and check that mark, they will start grinding the PVP aspect, practicing more and PVP. Forcing people to do PVP content, is going to drive your playerbase away. Same as listening to toxic people who think they have the right to say, cause they are simply no-lifers.
I hope we get dedicated PVE server in the future, where people can grind freely, and zones are just like a big Marni, aka Instance zone.
Just give the people freedom to do what they want. If they want to PVP, there is a dedicated server for that with zero penalty, if people want to PVE freely, let them do that.
Thank you.
This is a wonerful idea that's been repeated any times over the year. With PvP population being nearly non exsistant we're seeing more and more changes removing aspects of PvP! We actually had an amazing surge of new players recently that left due to toxic PvPers...shortly after PvP kept getting nerf after nerf which is wonderful for new players.
It never amazes me to see how angry PvPers get when they cant 1-shot tulva players. Anything that happens now is their fault and I'm glad J is making the correct decisions.
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noone is forcing you to play a pvp game mate
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On: Dec 7, 2023, 13:17 (UTC), Written by LordBagbuna
Family Name: Adalwen
Region (NA/EU): EU
Suggestions/Comments:
Let people play what mode they want freely. If i want to PVE freely i should. Not everyone loves to PVP, and especially not everyone have the time to study every class to know their rotation, what skill is protected, etc, etc. And most new players will just Quit the game completely. I think it's very telling what people want just by looking the "servers" population, and what activity most people actually do.
I'm a competitive type of player, but you need so much time invested to learn so many thing, BDO has to be your main and your second job. To enjoy even partly OWPVP, you literally need to be decently geared, and to have a good understanding of most classes, on top of that, you still going to kill/die in 2 seconds, so it's still feel meh.
But most importantly Forcing something to players it's going to make them hate this thing, and it's what happen with the OWPVP.
I actively play 2-3 hours per day, and i recently changed my class to Ninja, as i'm high APM lover player. I love masterying my class, and the content i play.
I'm an ex Apex Legends Predator player, but currently i have no more then 2-3 hours playing. So i prefer to spend my time Grinding PVE, as it's relaxing, and enjoyable, especially with fast clicking. And there is a learning curve in perfecting your zone routine and improve your grinding results.
Now i'm not against PVP, but i don't get all the crying from the PVP players, and that they want to force PVP literally upon everyone. There is a dedicated server for this, and you get a 50% drop rate bonus on it. So what exactly is your problem ? Just play there, h?
Nqh, we all know that most people that are guarding the forum and are crying loudly don't want to actually PVP equl gear/skilled players, and they just want to grief players that just want to enjoy PVE, and don't have all day playing. As you need gear to do a proper PVP(except for AOS, which is most new and mid people like me enjoy).
Let's be real the crying is from griefers. They have their dedication PVP server, they also have plenty of PVP modes in the game. But they don't want that. They are actually bad, and just want to storm new players or ones that are entirely focusing on PVE.
This is equal to me being a Predator player, plays in a Bronze or Silver Lobby in Apex. Or a Vet CS:GO players, plays in a newplayer lobbies. Can you guess how many of the new players will actually stay in the game? Even the average/mid type of players that wants to become good, but want to play in equal lobbies?
It's the same situation in here.
The game is going in a decent direction. People loves PVE, and you see a huge wave of player base, because of the changes. A lot of these people will want to do PVP as well, but they don't want to be forced. When they are geared enough, and check that mark, they will start grinding the PVP aspect, practicing more and PVP. Forcing people to do PVP content, is going to drive your playerbase away. Same as listening to toxic people who think they have the right to say, cause they are simply no-lifers.
I hope we get dedicated PVE server in the future, where people can grind freely, and zones are just like a big Marni, aka Instance zone.
Just give the people freedom to do what they want. If they want to PVP, there is a dedicated server for that with zero penalty, if people want to PVE freely, let them do that.
Thank you.
thought there was marni realm, no single sided decs, and karma is family wide ?
in before this gets censored from mass reportin :3
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On: Dec 7, 2023, 20:56 (UTC), Written by IWalkAlone
bro.... you are not smart at all srsly.
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Another day, another pvp vs pve discussion. And yet another topic starter that pretends to know what the players want.
Look, just tell me why you grind. What are you 'improving' for if you only grind, you could just as well go sausans - its not that different?
"people love pve" xd
Sure buddy, fishing has more mechanics if you ask me.
I propose adding 1 pure pve channel where every player is instanced and cant see anyone else so they can bot in peace. Preferably make it offline. And call it crimson desert.
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