I'll only do the combat, if they do.

RIP traders

master-13 trading, got most of it before the trading change and the rest of it from crates.

So 2 weeks ago I jumped into the new trading system, curious, wanted to figure it out etc.

I've never lost money in a trade.

Here is what I do:

- I have toons in every major city to confirm rumors.

- I only confirm rumors that are 'skyrocket' or 'rise'. (slightly-rise and below I ignore)

- Within that category, I only trade items that are trading between 130-200 percent (roughly). If below 130, it will not make enough enough, and above 200, it will cap out at 300% and will not make enough money.

- I only trade stacks that fit in my wagon, currently increments of 19. (How can I increase that? help!!  lol...)

- I only do 3 newsletters per day (out of the 6 possible).

- the only regions I trade in are: balenos, serendia, calpheon, media, and valencia (the other regions are too cp expensive imo). I have 424cp (love that cooking!)

I can do the rumors in 5-15 minutes. Moving the goods is 'semi-afk' (load wagon, click destination, go back to work on main monitor)... so I would not really count that as 'active' playing. 

50% of the days I make around 50-mill/day, because there were just 1 or 2 trades that fit my criteria. 50% of the time I will do 10-15 trade-trips and make 300-350 mill those days. A really good day (12/15/2023 for example) made 543 mill.

Is that bad? I don't remember making that much before the trading change, but then I never actually did it for money back then, just trade-xp to get that desert-buff.

I mean, it's certainly better then the old 10-14m/h the old 2017 trading offered, but it's nothing people will really care about today.

To be honest, after waiting literally 3 years for the rework it was largely panned as dead on arrival.  They made a wonderfully complex, theoretically engaging, and very activity intense lifeskill out of it which nobody ever did because of how they decided to balance it.  Which is too bad because it otherwise would have worked too.

BDO is a wonderful game mainly about infinite progession that is largely tied to how much silver/hour you can generate and they decided, for whatever reason, to let you make fractions doing their new Trading system.   Any completely new character could spend a few hours going through seasons and end up with free gear that would let them double that output while grinding.  Casual, less intense lifeskilling could net you 5x.   Serious grinding and some niche lifeskilling, several times what Trading offered.  There were even several almost zero-effort afk things you could do for more consistant silver.   So it wasn't a surprise to anyone that no one bothered with it.

Kind of a moot point now though considering they announced last night at the ball they were literally going to just remove it because of the problems it caused.

Didn't make it to the ball last night. Sad if PA has really decided to just dump trading. Kind of a slap in the face for people like me who spent months working up to Master 10 level as well as weeks putting together my Forest Path wagon which has massively less value if if they really drop trading.

Seems fixable to me. 

Just went and looked at the notes for the ball and by my reading, they aren't actually dumping trading completely. They're going to remove it temporarily and rework it again. Will be interesting to see what they do. Pasting from the notes below with link to the entire article.

• PA is temporarily removing the general trade system due to several restrictions. For example, if you are grinding in Padix and you get a trade item while grinding, you cannot sell it if you are on a tagged character, you can’t move through Magnus, etc. Processed trade crates will remain but the general trading system will be removed while it is reworked. They tried to fix trading recently with the rework, but these restrictions still exist and cause problems, so they plan to rework trading again.

https://www.blackdesertfoundry.com/calpheon-ball-2023-notes/#Life_Skills_Family_Life_Skills_Trading_Removed

Agreed. Add in the fact that everyone gets a second dream horse, the value of the wagon really gets hit. However, they said they will 'come up with something else' eventually. That's kind of wierd imo. Why not just come out with new trading and replace this one? He said this one 'had problems' and I must wander what the real problem is? Contrasting Trade with Barter, there is no value-pack benefit with trading. Is that the problem? I will laugh out loud if they come up with a new trading system that includes a value-pack benefit... that would be hilarious.

You won't get another dream horse. It's just that this event that once existed will now be permanent. It's still will be one dream horse per account.

And closer to the topic. The original/previous trading system was what it was but it was 100 times better than the current one. The entire system of price increases and decreases is the height of idiocy. Trading should be simple: the further you travel, the more exp and money you get. And that's all.

The system worked badly because the goods you could buy from npc were limited.

Also the entire trash box system should be changed. Trash boxes should be created by yourself. Creating an entire system of workers and production workshops is completely unprofitable and is only a waste of electricity.

Indeed, but Hopefully this will lead to the first ever instance of them them actually coming here and reading threads like this one to get a better grasp on what it was they completely destroyed by trying to over RNG-ify trading as they've done to every other aspect of the game since launch.  ... Mandriva nailed it:  Not every activity has to be a noisy flashing Pachinko Parlor  ... just look at how many people bought Euro-Truck sim and Stardew-Valley ? 

This also gives the OP another opportunity later on to suggest a whole new better system as well and then hopefully someone will translate it and Grammar proof it to Korean and put it on their home forums b/c we all know they Never read anything posted here.  (And we're going to keep making fun of them until they give us some evidence that they're actually watching what happens in their Western divisions instead of having some translation lackey condense it for them and thus remove all nuance and details which are vital to the entire point of direct user to developer feedback and understanding what makes for immersive gameplay loops)

Why did you downvote airhead just b/c you disagreed with his information?  He was CORRECT, they specifically said during the ball that this is an additional T9 that's coming as a non-Event permanent automatic once-per-account reward just for anyone returning to or buying a new copy of a 9 year old game (launched 2014 in Korea)

Interesting, I watched  ball twice and there was no word about giving T9again. They said there would be one free T9 horse for each new account in this event that was already there. Was as event -> now us perm.

Update. In fact, 30 seconds later, a question was asked about the people who had already received the Dream Horse.