Always the same old argument that cant work, as in general, pve channel request actual impose nothing but provide a choice.

I neither impose my opinion ( but i understand you have issue with that difference ) i tell you : your vision isnt the only one everyone have to consider, so i bring you others argument ( that you actualy never are able to contradict other than with child kind answer :'nonnononono its not true nopnononon" and absolute lack of arguments  : QED again with : current grind spot is a bad gamedesign and not meant to "motivate" pk ( so forced pvp is a bad gamedesign if grind spot are meant to motivate forced pk )

"many argument why pve are bad"  yet beside to loop yourself ( like your other buddy ) saying that you never have anything tangible to bring on the table. You are just a void trying to suggest that "one day", "somewhere" "during centrury of history" you, "eventualy" revealed the all mighty reasons and only truth about why pve channels are detrimental.

Yet, all i see, is :  You bring nothing on the table

instead of you again poor and cheap attempt at saying "your english is bad but i'am such a generous person that i get over it" If you really were, you would either provide english correction to be actual proactive and helpfull, or if you are not inclined to help for tha point, just say nothing, stop useless talk.

" Otherwise , sory to bring it again, but its closest example - there are many proves that Earth is globe and none that is flat, yet some people believe its flat..."

After bringing nothing relevant on the table,  just another empty talk as your various cheap poison wheel didnt worked out, you really thought you would go along with that  ?

stop be a clown seriously. ( if that least that was funny )

I only make fun with you( + attempt at again making look like you are the poor victim )

Better  pretending that when what you tried didnt worked, right ?  : "it's a prank bro" yeah i see the deal.

As for your self victimisation, sorry little baby, if you cant understand that explaining that your vision isnt the only one everyone have to "follow" ( which explain why a choice is a valid request ) then doesnt mean requesting you to stop have the belief you have.... That's.... /faceplam

( Or once again, you should stop your bad poison wheel attempt, as it still doesnt work )

TL;DR Yikes. can you be mature enough to save everyone from all that uselessness  ? Or are you forcing "such talk" as you have no others choice that trying to poison wheel as you have zero valid arguments to provide ?

says the guys unable to develop his premise saying : "pve channels would be detrimental to BDO". So the only resort you have is trying at fallacious logical association to make look like his unexplained premise is correct ?

Yup.

Olivia is limited because its use as boost channels for new & returning ( concept easy to grasp in such grindfest game ), seasonal, well its a season with particular settings regarding a gear made for it so to hook new /"ungeared" players => its a catch up of some sort, logic it doesnt last forever.

Yet, i still dont see where is the : its without forced pvp therefore that's why its limited

So again, unless you are for once in your serie of fallacious none "argumentation" able to actualy explain yourself, it will remain what it always be, desperate attempt at making a point as you are unable to do so with a honest argumentation.

Sooo you basicaly repeating what I say to you, to me. LOL. No imagination at all. I can do the same.

After bringing nothing relevant on the table, just another empty talk as your various cheap poison wheel didnt worked out, you really thought you would go along with that ?

stop be a clown seriously.

As for your self victimisation, sorry little baby, if you cant understand that explaining that your vision isnt the only one everyone have to "follow" ( which explain why a choice is a valid request ) then doesnt mean requesting you to stop have the belief you have.... That's.... /faceplam

( Or once again, you should stop your bad poison wheel attempt, as it still doesnt work )

TL;DR Yikes. can you be mature enough to save everyone from all that uselessness  ? Or are you forcing "such talk" as you have no others choice that trying to poison wheel as you have zero valid arguments to provide ?

How perfect are those words for you. But after all they are all what many people said to you. And its so low to use them to attack others. Cheap trolling kid.

What is this BS you trying to turn into logic? How much time you played the game in the last week. Has nothing to do with you not being dishonest or not. Actually in fact it makes your dishonesty have a little bit of gravity to lead others astray.

This not a contest where who has the most time in game is automatically right. This started out as a honest request for PvE only servers. At which point you and your kind came in and reaked pure havoc on the topic. Just because you guys disagree with other having the choice to avoid yall griefing them. For obvious reasons of course the need not be stated.

Then you guys started to do these mental gymastics. Acting like you guys are selflessly trying to do what's best for the game. When in fact, y'all selfishness and need to grief couldn't have came out any stronger. Here are the facts.....

- People are requesting PvE only servers.

- People are not asking for Forced PvP for be taken out of the game.

- You guys have attepted to bully and force yourselves on others here. Just like you guys bully and force yourselves on others in game.

- Y'all have brought nothing positive to bear discussion wise.

- You guys have thought up a lot of hypothetical falsehoods in a attempt. To make your comments hold some weight.

- Seasonal PvP is never crowded meanwhile Seasonal PvE throughout the day does become crowded.

- You guys make other threads on these forums. Demanded that your PKed victims be suspended from being able to play the game for 30 minutes or more.

- Y'all have a low quality troll of like mindedness. That belittles people just because they don't like them.

I think we'll stop here.

I even threw you guys a bone on the whole anti-PvE only server side. Which was to appeal on the fact that the Devs use forced PvP as a money fountain. In which way giving a choice to avoid abuse from sadistical people. Would decrease profits. No instead you guys feign taking the proverbial high road. All the while acting like savages. Talk about a contradiction.

Are you realy dare to talk about dishonesty??? The one who were attacking low levels, the one PKed player and now talks againstthe very same actions? The one who have 90% of the posts against BDO and prising GW2 and ESO ? How honest are you ? And the tings you wrote here ? No dude. We are nto to start the flame. We only say why we think PvE server is not good idea. And weexpose the lies that you post. So no, you are the trolls not us.

- People are requesting PvE only servers. Yes, and we just say that is bad idea.

- People are not asking for Forced PvP for be taken out of the game. Yes we know.

- You guys have attepted to bully and force yourselves on others here. Just like you guys bully and force yourselves on others in game. If you think that other opinion than yours is bullying and forcing, then you have a problem with thinking. And no, none of us is bullying and forcing ourselves in the game. You Are Simply Lier.

- Y'all have brought nothing positive to bear discussion wise. Yes we did, you ignore. You Are Lier.

- You guys have thought up a lot of hypothetical falsehoods in a attempt. To make your comments hold some weight. Then same aplyes to you.

- Seasonal PvP is never crowded meanwhile Seasonal PvE throughout the day does become crowded. Yes its not crowded like PvE, but 5-6 people on spot most of the time. Also PvE is empty after people takes the rewards. And everyone gets back to normal PvPvE servers. So?

- You guys make other threads on these forums. Demanded that your PKed victims be suspended from being able to play the game for 30 minutes or more. If someone made this demand it autamaticaly means WE ? LOL. I am for bringing back xp loss. Drop the items from PK. Developed outlow gameplay with more cityes, attacking caravans and reward for bringing outlow.

- Y'all have a low quality troll of like mindedness. That belittles people just because they don't like them. Works perfect for your kind.

In general there were a lot of propositions that can please both sides and keeping all in one server, but anytime ignored by you flag haters. And then attacks, troling, lies.

Sooo you basicaly repeating what I say to you, to me. LOL.

I mean, if you like to live in that illusion, suit yourself, seems like your ego need very badly that at see your behavior once things dont go your way.

So, do you have any real argument ( you were supposed to already have brought somewhere ) to bring on the topic matter ? or you will keep be a clown to counterbalance your lack of anything remotely interesting ?

OK this topic will never end, I will put my last words/opinions and be done with this thread that devolved into drivel.  It's a bit of a rant post, but if you're open to honest discussion, it's my point of view.  There will always be people asking for PVE Only server in BDO, I feel, most being new players or low geared / lacking in skill.  The ONLY reason being "so I can't get killed by another player".  That's literally the ONLY reason.

A crap reason, IMO.  Why, you may ask?  Well, because I've been there.  Do you think I was always geared enough to defend myself confidently?  Nope.  I was super low geared for the first 2 years of my time here.  And this was during Sausan's / Pirate's days -- PVP was WAAAAY more poppin' back then compared to how tame it is nowadays.  ESP when you have Seasonal Server.  Anyway, back then, PVP was pretty much understood by all players who grinded mobs --- those of us who braved into Pirate Island or Sausan's knew this quite well.  But now, with the influx of 1-2 year or less players who likely came from other MMO's like WOW or ESO start playing BDO and see how different it is, how PVP is so intertwined with PVE, they want to change it.  For ONLY the fact they get killed by others.  As if swap server doesn't exist.

I had to fight and claw my way up.  Taking side rotations at Pirate's.  Taking the Beach rotation at Sausan's.  Avoiding main rotations for fear of my virtual life and embrarassment because I was low geared and would get stomped.  I know how it feels to be weak and the desire to be strong.  For me, this was MOTIVATION.  When you're out grinding mobs, you need to know PVP is a possibility -- You're grinding mobs!!  BDO is not some candy-land, cotton-pillow, strawberry-gum-drops game.  Go play Barbie Horse game if so.  I had to go through the gamut -- so why do YOU get special treatment, huh?

You guys whine and compain about "whales" killing you.  How do you know they're actually whales?  How do you know they're that much more geared than you?  You don't.  I'm willing to bet the majority of your PK deaths come from people right around your GS, give or take. Unless you're grinding Star's End with like less than 261ap/320dp Kutum, which is on the low side of gear at SE.  But at that point, you take a side rotation, like I did at Pirates some years ago, and gear and skill your way up to better rotations.

People like Fearless, Woots and Vortexii, to all of you I say, get over yourself. Does BDO make you mad because it doesn't tickle your ego like Guld Wars or ESO as a gearlet?  Does it make you sad that your ego cannot be so easily tickled in BDO, that you actually have to put in serious work, make calculated risks, experience serious losses, to get geared, and cant just spam the same dungeon over and over?  You want to make BDO easier for you, so you remove PVP, so you can just grind, uninterrupted -- I didn't have that luxury, neither did any other veteran, so why are you such a special snowflake that you get this special treatment?  What do you guys ever do aside from trash this game and this community?  Nothing -- just trash the game and trash community members.  And know the ONLY people I talk harshly to are YOU THREE, DO THE MATH.

Fearless, did you reinstall BDO yet?  Retto, or whatever your name is (Vorexii), are you going to link your account yet?  Woots, -_- just ugh.

The gripes of Lifeskillers, I can feel that.  You, I can feel for.  But mob-grinders, psssh -- no.  Go lifeskill if you're so afraid of PVP, because PVP happens over grind spots a lot.  Don't want to PVP?  Then don't grind mobs.  Want to grind mobs with no PVP?  Play another game.  I had to deal with all of what yo're complaining about, but look at me now -- I can show you my gear and control of my class if you want.  Wouldn't have got here without the motivation to get stronger, and that motivation came from getting rekked, many, many times.  OWPVP is so tame now anyways, it's so rare compared to before.  There's so many rotations and channels.  Maybe if they reduced the channel swap CD if you're getting killed over and over, it could help.  Lots of other QoL things and reworks of systems, etc. too, but acomplete shift of BDO from PvPvE to PvE Only?....even on one server?....dunno how to say just how wrong that feels.

PVE server in BDO is simply not BDO.  BDO is PvPvE since day freaking ONE of release.  On all servers.  Can't split the community either by making dedicated servers and forcing people to stay in one permanently.  That's just dumb.  BUT IF a PVE Only server is introduced, then I hope it comes with foresight and planning by the devs.  Can't just wake up one day and be like "OK we gonna bring PVE Only servers" and laddie daddie their way around it. 

PVE Only needs to be carefully implemented, they can't be all willy-nilly about it with not a shred of logic, critical thinking and being educated about what's really good for the game, something Woots would love.  And I commend the devs for not doing so and making small introductions like Season.  The same devs who literally said PVE Only is against the vision of BDO.  I hope they stick to their words, despite all the carebear cries, "waaah help me PA, I am but smol poor boi, I cannot fite big man.  Save me PA, remove PVP".  PSSSSSSH!!!  How about a Lifeskill Server?  Haven't read anyone suggest THAT! 

You want all the benefits of a normal channel without the risk of PK -- how entitled do you have to be to want that?

But who knows, maybe one day you'll get your sacred safe space.  That day will be the day BDO stop raking in BILLIONS of dollars, though, I predict.  We know why people spend lots of money here -- it's for gear.  What do you need gear for?  PVE?  LOOOOOOL, please!  Yeah right.  People whale $$ on gear -- FOR PVP.  Melting Crons, Artisans, all that are for gear -- gear that's used for PVP.  Something to keep in mind.  Company's gotta make money, you know.  Good luck whaling when you can't even smash Crons on Manos clothes.  And good luck whaling when 281ap/325dp is enough gear for like 90%+ of the grind zones.  The point here is PVP makes them money.  So unless that changes, then I can't see them adding a PVE Only server to BDO anytime soon.

You're free to your opinion.  Well, so am I.

Thank you for provin again what is your real purpos in posting on forums. You cant lead a normal conversation, Any time some one comes up with some facts that you dont like you start calling names. No kid, Im not the troll. You Are. You will always be the salty little troll. But what to expect from person that like to calls his chars with names of poisons.

 Have a nice trolling.Im not gona feed you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MpJv8DW4_U

Just had to point out what you actually said

"Any time some one comes up with some facts that you dont like you start calling names."

then you followed up with

"No kid, Im not the troll. You Are. You will always be the salty little troll."

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Y'all only made propositions that would please the PK griefers. At the expense of the victims of PKers. 

- EXP lose on Death from simply being PKed.

- Not being able to play the game for 30 minutes or more on PK death.

- A bandit system that barely anyone would bother using to kill PKers. That would be instead used provide PK griefers with even lesser penalties.

You only expose your dishonesty and nothing else.

After all that and you have still yet to add anything positive to this thread.

Then you guys started to do these mental gymastics. Acting like you guys are selflessly trying to do what's best for the game. When in fact, y'all selfishness and need to grief couldn't have came out any stronger. Here are the facts.....

- People are requesting PvE only servers.

I even threw you guys a bone on the whole anti-PvE only server side. Which was to appeal on the fact that the Devs use forced PvP as a money fountain. In which way giving a choice to avoid abuse from sadistical people. Would decrease profits. No instead you guys feign taking the proverbial high road. All the while acting like savages. Talk about a contradiction.