1-Not related to my point as you are just doing supposition ( for losing or not players ) without any backup or data :

Yet, as pve side in mmo always was very popular and always attracting far more players than the pvp side ( i.e : see how GW1 switched focus onto pve with the various expansion and like nearly all mmo in the world have far more pve than pvp )

a pure pve will certainly attract a lot of players, so, if ever there is somes unhappy "pvpver" that left it will certainly be unnoticed.

Now, as you liked to claim that BDO "pvpve" is BDO heart, you should then have no worry, as if its really what you claim to be, you will always have enough players to play with you, your so deep "pvpve BDO life"

( Now, you dont seem that sure about that considering how you seems so scared to see pve channel ( so a part of the players base leave forced pvp channels )

2- Yet it contradict totaly your supposition where pvpve is so important.

"Tutorial" meaning is self explanatory, when you dont include an element ( you yet claim to be so important ) in a tutorial & totaly disable it  there is not a various understanding possibilities.

Otherwise like for nearly every part of the games they have reworked the introduction to ( like for gear casino with naru ) they would have provided some smoother introduction to that forced pk.

But instead, no, nothing ! Strange right to have a tutorial that "teach" everything BUT the part you claim to be that important for the game ?

So 1 & 2 doesnt change the point : Pve setting is there, so apparently it fit BDO, otherwise you wouldnt have no forced pvp setting.

3- You are the one saying "Devs know better than you, Make your own conclusion " 

Arsha is still there after all thoses years, it never was changed, nor deleted. Seems like "devs know better than you" and its not the failure you claim it is. So according to you own logic., you proove yourself wrong.

Or else, maybe instead of beeing in your corner and fighting topic you are not concerned about, you should have been proactive over the years and fight for Arsha changement to be "good" ( whatever what it can mean for you ). That is your fault for not doing that.

4- where is the "vp" in that pve grind spot powercreep-ing ?

5- its not an opinion, its a simple reality. Something forced you dislike becoming a real option can only be a benefit. Unless you have a dictator syndrom, its not a difficult concept grasp  ( and it always was my premise so point regarding pve channel ).

"not for my own little comfort" What's the most confortable ? be forced to play under one regim "because someone said so" ? or having a choice to choose what your prefer ? 

( like you certainly dislike to play a pure pve seasonal, it would be more confortable for everyone to also have "with classic forced pvp" seasonal channel. )

The only ones here "fighting for their own little confort" are the one looking to prevent others to have a choice because they dont like that choice. ( i know its seem over hard to understand for you. But because i'am in favor of pve channel and consider BDO "pk" just sh#t. I dont look to prevent you to have fun with it. as on the others hand, you indeed look to prevent every players in favor of "without forced pk" to have fun like that by fighting that idea.. )

I always explained correctly my point, unlike someone like you totaly unable to argument & demonstrate your own premise : "pve channel would be bad for BDO"

"Your reasoning could be applied to grind, enhancement, even quests ?"

Well, you dont need to grind, you can afk life skill / dont play the game, to get money. You have training book for XP / SP

Enhancement same thing, just buy off the market with your "afk lifeskill life" ( or p2w hard for infinite cron, just spam & done. easy )

Why questing ? you neither need that once you already have done it once, its neither that necessary to level up a character.

See, all that already is pretty much "optional / you have others way", unlike forced pvp, for now, no others way to not be bothered by it, if someone decide so.

6- you mean the same 3-4 guys ? I see.

I see you are trying to play the smart ass condescending to hide your anger, but lets be real for a second.

What's more realistic to request :

- a full and deep pve rework ( i remind you that five year later you still have no piece of the bounty system you seem to dream about all days long, or that's the same guys that choose to waste their time on a whatever forgetten tower defence instead of improoving the actual open world , and the same guys that seem to spend time to work on player personal & certainly customizable player mansion stuff )

- first disable forced pvp ( that request nearly no work ) to solve the problem raised by that request : Not liking to play under the "forced pvp" regim and willing to be free from it if so desired.

I said the same thing to your other buddy that have hard time to also grasp simple concept, but lets be real, when you see how thoses guys worked & work on their "game" the request scope necessary need to be "adjusted".

So yup, for now i choose to push for something i'am definitely sure its feasable.

But hey ! if you have ideas to improove pve in general, i will be all for it, create another topic about, start all that, you have all my support.

ké ? do you have anything relevant to say on the topic ? or are you a random that try to make things personal ? ( yet i have no idea who you are, so please, get in the line with the unknown i will certainly never really care about, i will ring you if ever )

Whatever I had to say on the topic, I already did in previous posts. Guess no one reads these days. Also I was typing in a more friendly and humorous manner to you. Chill. I am not sure, why you believe I have something personal. But in the forums of Kakao you were not different. I am not trying to have anything personal, just to extinguish a fire here between some people. But if you don't believe me... You know your stuff.

P.S. I decided to read the previous posts between a few pages. "The wolf can change its fur, but it's nature-not".

Many people prefer bdo to other mmo because of its combat and pvp, true, but what you fail to realise is that just as many prefer bdo to other games because of its combat but DESPITE the pvp.

...

When I say you stay superficial, could you stop proving me right with every answer? That's creepy.

Its not that he cant read. We try may times but he want flaming instead normal conversation. Dont waste time with that kid. I wonder how Sadalsuud has the nerves. Atleast Fearles can back off when hear some truth, and he is a guy who can leave flaming for good conversation (atleast before), but woods always kills the converstion for flaming.

And another offtopic since I cant find PM function in this forum.
Да видим дали съм нацелил откъде си. Здрасти :) Как е гилдията, че смятах да търся БГ че наща беше умряла... макар че сега се развива доста добре.

Decided to install the game again. Went to trees to gain EXP. About 35 minutes into our grind. Two players came upto our spot at trees. They both linked their PEN Blackstars and demand us to leave. We didn't, so they fed us to the mobs. Lost about 300M in crystals. Logged off and uninstalled game. GG WP!

Thank you for pointing this out so nicely and concisely. 

I have been playing BDO for a very long time and have never been even remotely interested in playing PvP. 

Since a few months I got back to playing because I heard about the season servers, a place without open world PvP, which was to me a dream come true. 

I love this game, I love the fighting style and game mechanics, especially in a world where most MMO's still default to tab targeting. This has a wonderfully free feel like Wildstar of some years ago. 

Now, I left BDO for months and even years at a time because of open world PvP. 

I want to see the story, I want to play the game, I want to kill a few mobs for the story and move on, and I am definitely NOT trying to karma bomb anyone. I don't CARE about karma, I don't care about PvP. 

I have had some people kill me over and over again, even after explaining I'd be out of their face in no time, if they'd only let me kill these 30 to 50 mobs for the story, and telling them sorry for ruining their rotation...

Those instances were also the times I said 'I'm leaving, *f* this game'.  If I'm not playing the game, I'm not making the game any money, I can't see how that is beneficial in any way to BDO as a whole. I'm sure I'm not the only one having the exact same experience. 

The one thing I see pop up over and over again in these discussions is: "you can't fight for grind spots, and this is a serious problem"

Is it though? What I have observed in the game since I've been back is a live and let live attitude on grind spots in the season servers. I know my thinking is as follows: 'Oh? There's someone here, lets move to a different spot and let them have theirs'

I've seen the season servers overflowing with people, and have had no one even grumble in game to eachother. On the contrary, I've had multiple encounters with players on nice terms, asking to group up to grind a place together and having fun doing so. 

I'm sure there could be exploits with these different playing styles/different servers that I'm not aware of. Especially since I only talk from a PvE point of view. ANd I'm sure there will be many people here in the forums thinking 'what a whiner, just leave if you don't like it'. But that's the thing though, I DO like the game...I just don't like a certain aspect of it. Why would that have to mean I have to stop playing? 

In short, I would love PvE servers. I can't oversee the ramifications properly, so if they ever do get implemented, I wish the devs a lot of wisdom in how to do that. 

The simple concept here is that pure pve will simply change the type of toxicity and solves nothing. You still havent understand that

the point is : Not be bothered by a not desired forced pk with pve channels ?

No one imagine suddently any form of toxicity would vanish. But indeed the pk toxicity will not be there anymore, and so far i know that's what players in favor of that request want.

And its all the thread is about. Is that way too hard to understand for you ? Or are you, after ALL thoses months trying to battle agaisnt pve channel request, finaly register that ?

You should first be able to even proove something in the first place before pretending anything.
remember how you are supposed to proove that pve channel are detrimental to BDO ? The audience still wait.

1- strawman answer ( as proof already gave you one, and just look at what side others mmo put the emphasis on. Even BDO, what the devs work on ? do they work on forced pvp ? Or do they just work on the pve since years now ?

QED.

2- doesnt change : forced pvp not included at all in any form of tutorial. ( while they did reworked a lot of "tutorial" for various side of the game )

Still self explanatory, rework all sort of "tutorial", do nothing for forced pvp and just straight disable it.

3- ké ? arsha & pve channel necessary arent the same and doesnt target the same players so the same desire, necessary you cant compare. What are you trying to strawman around ?

4- tl;dr jack sh#t. K its a pve work and nothing else, it only happen to be in classic channel where somes random can pk. ok.

Because ppl can eat walking in the street, do that mean if someone happen to drive his car in the street, mean car driving are related to eating ?

I dont mind clow show, but, i mean... yeah.

5- look at that guys fainting to not understand how not forcing something not desired on ppl is a benefit in itself just because it doesnt fit his narrative. that's such a Yikes to come down to that point.

if the selfish desires of some HAVE TO be fulfilled, the same goes for other wishes offering a choice isnt selfish (as you agree to see ppl not use the way you want, now if you cant understand that, i cant redo all your education ) its actualy thinking to everyone. Also, forced pk, is the only part of the game that can be forced by another player upon another. Its the only "system" creating such issue, therefore there is no others "wishes" that could match this situation in that game.

Again, your logic doesnt work ( nor your attempt as making look like bad person thoses requesting to a choice creation )

6- "The number doesn't even matter" Or yeah ? the number doesnt matter. Alright then, in that situation and with your own words, the BDO players base at 50% want pve channel give all pools we had on the preview forum that was displaying always the same result : 50% want pve channel.

guess the case is made with your own words.

I was simply telling you why we were against ok cool ? then you would keep play in classic channel with others wlling to keep play with forced pvp when others will pick "no forced pvp ?

that's cool, no one ever wanted to convince or force you ( unlike somes pk lover willing to force everyone to keep play under pk regim ) to come play into hypothetical pve channel.

Boutnty untung has been recently mentioned  thoses guys mentionned ( and showed ) climb skills, they mentionned a rework of the wagon trading , they mentionned mercenary things to send alt grind items with npc... etc

Where are thoses things in the game ? yeah nowhere.

Words are for the ones inclined to believe them, action are what matter, so, no one care about "their words" what matter is : what they actual add to the live server.

Another side note : "The die hard pvpve contingent will never accept that anyone should have a choice that differs from their own narrow viewpoint." -> Sure, because advocating for a special version of the game is not a narrow point of view. XD

Imagine still trying to make look like thoses advocating for a choice, so hindering no one to choose the path they prefer is worse than guys like you fighting to have all players be forced to play like ""YOU"" want.

I need to ask, but, in your world, such thing end to be believed / considered as a valid logic by someone else than you ?