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Request: NA PVE Servers
Feb 13, 2021, 23:26 (UTC)
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# 291
Écrit le : 9 mars 2021, 09:31 (UTC), par : Sadalsuud
Is it me or can we feel an underlying fallacy, in which pure pve will not be toxic? ^^
Good job on destroying 10 pages of snowflakes bs with a single and elegant sentence.
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Mar 9, 2021, 11:30 (UTC)
# 292
On: Mar 9, 2021, 09:43 (UTC), Written by Camomille
Valheim,Steam,5 millions copies...Open World Survival CraftOnline Co-OpSurvival+
PVE SANDBOX!
But you can organize PVP if you want ^^
PVE Sandbox is a thing...
Just...It's not P2W so you don't need non-consenting preys to feed the whales or no-lifer killers.
I love BDO but I stopped PVP at level 56 a long time ago...when I saw you can progress forever...and widen the gap forever...
Now,I play Explorer.
So much things I never saw because yes I was only "Leveling" and making money to be more powerful to make more money to be more powerful to make...
So...STOP!
That kind of things is here only for PA to make money...not for the enjoyment of majority of players.
PVP channels are never full,why?
They are few...every openPVP lovers should be here,no?
I'm sure if they can sell a transfer pass 100 Euros per character to be only PVE...we are going to get a PVE server xD
If Valheim is soo good why are you here ? BDO is not Valheim, its not WoW, Its not FF14, is not ESO, its not GW2. BDO is diferent and we, the people who like BDO want it to be BDO not one of the other games.
Also answer me this. If PvP channels are so empthy why so many years every normal server has PvP? Why there is no PvE server except catch up mechanic.
Yes PVE sandbox is thing, but also OWPvPvE is a thing and it has its playerbase.
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Mar 9, 2021, 12:53 (UTC)
# 293
On: Mar 9, 2021, 11:30 (UTC), Written by IWalkAlone
If Valheim is soo good why are you here ? BDO is not Valheim, its not WoW, Its not FF14, is not ESO, its not GW2. BDO is diferent and we, the people who like BDO want it to be BDO not one of the other games.
Also answer me this. If PvP channels are so empthy why so many years every normal server has PvP? Why there is no PvE server except catch up mechanic.
Yes PVE sandbox is thing, but also OWPvPvE is a thing and it has its playerbase.
Because I'm not monomaniac...I play a lot of games for FUN at the same time ^^
And since the first day I played BDO,I always wished for a SINGLE PLAYER GAME with beautiful world with all those things to do.
Valheim is fun but ugly.
I'm waiting for Crimson Desert...Then , Bye BDO!
PVP is badly done in BDO...I played a lot of PVP games.
The hardcore ones where you lose your items with you life and others can loot you...It's just easy to get gear and no so much gap between players.
My favorite was the old Age of Conan or Shadowbane (quick leveling).
PVP + BDO= Bad Joke.
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Mar 9, 2021, 13:32 (UTC)
# 294
On: Mar 9, 2021, 11:30 (UTC), Written by IWalkAlone
If Valheim is soo good why are you here ? BDO is not Valheim, its not WoW, Its not FF14, is not ESO, its not GW2. BDO is diferent and we, the people who like BDO want it to be BDO not one of the other games.
Also answer me this. If PvP channels are so empthy why so many years every normal server has PvP? Why there is no PvE server except catch up mechanic.
Yes PVE sandbox is thing, but also OWPvPvE is a thing and it has its playerbase.
I mean I like PVP as much as the next guy but theres plenty of ways to PVP.
1. Even if you do flag up if you are not on Arsha and the player your attacking doesnt want to PVP they have every right to karma bomb you. Its this issue that makes bdo niether here or there. when your punished so hard for flagging up why have the PVP exist outside of Arsha/nodewars/arena ?
exactly its not needed and people need to stop defending it when sorry to break it to you the game is moving on its time for the change.
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# 295
On: Mar 9, 2021, 11:30 (UTC), Written by IWalkAlone
If Valheim is soo good why are you here ? BDO is not Valheim, its not WoW, Its not FF14, is not ESO, its not GW2. BDO is diferent and we, the people who like BDO want it to be BDO not one of the other games.
Also answer me this. If PvP channels are so empthy why so many years every normal server has PvP? Why there is no PvE server except catch up mechanic.
Yes PVE sandbox is thing, but also OWPvPvE is a thing and it has its playerbase.
I mean I like PVP as much as the next guy but theres plenty of ways to PVP.
1. Even if you do flag up if you are not on Arsha and the player your attacking doesnt want to PVP they have every right to karma bomb you. Its this issue that makes bdo niether here or there. when your punished so hard for flagging up why have the PVP exist outside of Arsha/nodewars/arena ?
exactly its not needed and people need to stop defending it when sorry to break it to you the game is moving on its time for the change.
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Mar 9, 2021, 14:10 (UTC)
# 296
Écrit le : 8 mars 2021, 21:25 (UTC), par : Polyedra
Let's imagine u'd make a good diverse game. It becomes successful with that diversity.
Then, at some point, as it grows in popularity, people start complaining about the diversity
Actualy, if you would had understood the pve channel request correctly, a part of the players base dont complain because diversity, they complain for a lack of diversity ( as there is no other path than a pve WITH forced pvp )
That thread actual request for more diversity => a no forced pvp path option.
Écrit le : 9 mars 2021, 06:54 (UTC), par : FearlessMe
If or not you stay playing BDO is of little concern to me. However whining against Korean game Dev business model is silly. Either you deal with the game fundamentals or you leave. Because no amount of crying against it is going to change their minds.
If you don't want to be bullied by established players and Whales. When the whole game is built around around that point. That just means you are playing a game you shouldn't be playing. That's all I was getting at.
That's your hypothesis only that they keep forced pvp for that ( like if it was the only pvp in BDO... And so why i pointed out it doesnt give power to pker therefore your hypothesis dont totaly hold ) therefore you just dont own the truth regarding "whining against Korean game Dev business model is silly"
It would be a topic to request a full rework of gear upgrading & removing rng, i would then totaly agree with the above sentense. Here, no.
Not saying, i dont see any crying here, seems like you shouldnt fall onto thoses dramaqueen path, seeing things that doesnt exist , but used for sake of trying a poison wheel.
that's.. meh.
and that's where your hypothesis dont hold that much, as actualy, that's more thoses using "pk" that can be "bullied" IF they dont have self control to stop pk on time. As much as its remain an real annoyance to have someone force pk when you dont like that, they still have no power over others with it.
TL.DR, dont build a entier speech around an hypothesis you try to present as all mighty truth. It sound like the pk lover entilted to believe that BDO cant be played without forced pvp.
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# 297
On: Mar 8, 2021, 21:16 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos
The problem, least what I see, is that a PVE only server is a restricted server. It literally restricts PVP, PVP, being a gameplay style. And this restrictiveness, least to me, goes completely against what separates BDO from the other MMO's - BDO being this shared sandbox where a variety of playstyles come together to play in together. From pure lifeskillers, to pure red players, to everyone else in between, BDO is a shared space for us all, allowing all our playstyles to come together to help shape this game.
And that's really the screw in the gear to me. I'm all for player choice, all for what you're saying. But if it breaks the game just for the benefit of a specific sub-set of player's personal desire, then I'd have to be fully against that.
I actually like BDO, it's been my MMORPG home for about 4 years. Don't want my main game to be ruined by forum suggestions with more thought on "what's best for me" than "what's best for the game". It's not for not having easy targets...I wish not to look into miniscule details, looking at the big picture, I see a full-on PVE server simply not working in BDO, unless huge changes are made, like instancing grind zones, or adjusting mob respawn timers on PVE only servers, which throws off balance accross all servers, etc. So many potentially game breaking things need to be considered, that to me, I feel the devs have much, MUCH more important things to do, like class balance, rather than focusing time and resources to appease a SPECIFIC SUBSET OF PLAYERS PERSONAL DESIRE.
That's where, in my opinion, you're wrong.
It won't break the game. Your gameplay on your PvPvE server won't change, you will just share it with people that want to share it (so, like minded people).
Another misconception is that the PvE servers (or worlds) must be shared with the PvPvE ones by freely allowing people to swap in between, that is merely an option the devs can explore, but it doesn't have to be like that.
They could completely separate the two worlds (by not allowing to change in between) thus effectively giving you two distint options on how to play the game (then it doesn't matter that in some people opinion the only good thing about this game is the PvP, that is merely an opinion that is not shared among everyone, at that point data will talk).
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# 298
Écrit le : 8 mars 2021, 21:16 (UTC), par : PeaceInChaos
The problem, least what I see, is that a PVE only server is a restricted server. It literally restricts PVP, PVP, being a gameplay style. And this restrictiveness, least to me, goes completely against what separates BDO from the other MMO's - BDO being this shared sandbox where a variety of playstyles come together to play in together. From pure lifeskillers, to pure red players, to everyone else in between, BDO is a shared space for us all, allowing all our playstyles to come together to help shape this game.
And that's really the screw in the gear to me. I'm all for player choice, all for what you're saying. But if it breaks the game just for the benefit of a specific sub-set of player's personal desire, then I'd have to be fully against that.
I actually like BDO, it's been my MMORPG home for about 4 years. Don't want my main game to be ruined by forum suggestions with more thought on "what's best for me" than "what's best for the game". It's not for not having easy targets...I wish not to look into miniscule details, looking at the big picture, I see a full-on PVE server simply not working in BDO, unless huge changes are made, like instancing grind zones, or adjusting mob respawn timers on PVE only servers, which throws off balance accross all servers, etc. So many potentially game breaking things need to be considered, that to me, I feel the devs have much, MUCH more important things to do, like class balance, rather than focusing time and resources to appease a SPECIFIC SUBSET OF PLAYERS PERSONAL DESIRE.
1- How do pve channel would restrict pvp, when as player you would have the choice to not play into thoses pve channel and remain in the "classic channel you currently know" with forced pvp ( so i suppose unrestricted pvp ? )
Your problem is already solved.
"BDO is a shared space for us all". US ALL, you mean, us all so players willing to play BDO without beeing bothered by a forced pvp they dont want to see imposed on them.
So, yeah for now BDO isnt "for us all".
"But if it breaks the game just for the benefit of a specific sub-set of player's personal desire, then I'd have to be fully against that"
where is the "no forced pvp break the game" ? Where are the factual proof of that ? Bring proof, and not just an empty "fact" just because it help your narrative to be a good guy saving BDO from his doomdays
( btw, how come i dont see you go in crusade agaisnt olivia pve & seasonal pve ? shouldnt that also break the game according to your narrative ? I mean, temporary or not its still channel without forced pvp right ?)
Don't want my main game to be ruined by forum suggestions with more thought on "what's best for me" than "what's best for the game".
I wish not to look into miniscule details, looking at the big picture
Then its cool, as it can be a bad thing to change something "forced by somes players upon others" into : its an option to play with or without.
As its the big picture ( and the main issue that forced pk always brought )
So many potentially game breaking things need to be considered
If the topic was about "how to make pve better in general ( whatever if its for pve only or what you call pvpve )" sure, here the topic is about : switching off forced pvp for somes channel to have a pve option.
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# 299
On: Mar 9, 2021, 12:45 (UTC), Written by Camomille
Because I'm not monomaniac...I play a lot of games for FUN at the same time ^^
And since the first day I played BDO,I always wished for a SINGLE PLAYER GAME with beautiful world with all those things to do.
Valheim is fun but ugly.
I'm waiting for Crimson Desert...Then , Bye BDO!
PVP is badly done in BDO...I played a lot of PVP games.
The hardcore ones where you lose your items with you life and others can loot you...It's just easy to get gear and no so much gap between players.
My favorite was the old Age of Conan or Shadowbane (quick leveling).
PVP + BDO= Bad Joke.
On: Mar 9, 2021, 13:32 (UTC), Written by Easay9
I mean I like PVP as much as the next guy but theres plenty of ways to PVP.
1. Even if you do flag up if you are not on Arsha and the player your attacking doesnt want to PVP they have every right to karma bomb you. Its this issue that makes bdo niether here or there. when your punished so hard for flagging up why have the PVP exist outside of Arsha/nodewars/arena ?
exactly its not needed and people need to stop defending it when sorry to break it to you the game is moving on its time for the change.
Ammm I may not understand you corectly. Why you have 1. but not 2. ? Why you talk about karmabombing and punishing for PK. Its another topic, but yeaa Im all for karmabombing, it may be exploit but its in the game so free to use it. Also I find PK punishment too little. But there are another topics on that matter. We wait for bounty system.
And yes PvP is needed. Its the way the game works. PvP is to resolve the conflict of the limited resources. Its the idea of the game. Its stated by the devs themselves. It doesnt matter if you think that its not needed. Like other person said everytime when spotis taken or defended by someone with PvP it proves you wrong.
On: Mar 9, 2021, 14:30 (UTC), Written by Wolfenzero
It won't break the game. Your gameplay on your PvPvE server won't change, you will just share it with people that want to share it (so, like minded people).
Another misconception is that the PvE servers (or worlds) must be shared with the PvPvE ones by freely allowing people to swap in between, that is merely an option the devs can explore, but it doesn't have to be like that.
They could completely separate the two worlds (by not allowing to change in between) thus effectively giving you two distint options on how to play the game (then it doesn't matter that in some people opinion the only good thing about this game is the PvP, that is merely an opinion that is not shared among everyone, at that point data will talk).
Some people woud not have problem to share, thats way one PvE server will be ok. But how many are they? Very few. Look how many complains were on seasons that people cant grind because too may people. I guess verry few like to share. And separation wont be good idea, we already talk about it. But yea its about the devs. They can change their mind anytime. Im just happy they dont almost 6 years.
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# 300
On: Mar 9, 2021, 15:14 (UTC), Written by Woots
1- How do pve channel would restrict pvp, when as player you would have the choice to not play into thoses pve channel and remain in the "classic channel you currently know" with forced pvp ( so i suppose unrestricted pvp ? )
Your problem is already solved.
"BDO is a shared space for us all". US ALL, you mean, us all so players willing to play BDO without beeing bothered by a forced pvp they dont want to see imposed on them.
So, yeah for now BDO isnt "for us all".
"But if it breaks the game just for the benefit of a specific sub-set of player's personal desire, then I'd have to be fully against that"
where is the "no forced pvp break the game" ? Where are the factual proof of that ? Bring proof, and not just an empty "fact" just because it help your narrative to be a good guy saving BDO from his doomdays
( btw, how come i dont see you go in crusade agaisnt olivia pve & seasonal pve ? shouldnt that also break the game according to your narrative ? I mean, temporary or not its still channel without forced pvp right ?)
Don't want my main game to be ruined by forum suggestions with more thought on "what's best for me" than "what's best for the game".
I wish not to look into miniscule details, looking at the big picture
Then its cool, as it can be a bad thing to change something "forced by somes players upon others" into : its an option to play with or without.
As its the big picture ( and the main issue that forced pk always brought )
So many potentially game breaking things need to be considered
If the topic was about "how to make pve better in general ( whatever if its for pve only or what you call pvpve )" sure, here the topic is about : switching off forced pvp for somes channel to have a pve option.
Do you remember how this idea for PvE server started? It was - We one one PvE server, since there is Arsha we should have PvE server too. And some people stated that in BDO it wont work, because spots cant handle few people. But you didnt belive. And after seasons you change your moto - We want half servers (atleast) PvE. We want choise. Well looks like after all BDO is not for you. Its product with features. You dont like it. Yes you have two options. Find a product you like or try to change it. Ofc it can be changed. It might be for good it might be for bad. Lineage 2, Tera, Archage, New World they made bad changes. Where are they now ?
And yes for BDO to have PvE servers you need two options - general changes to spots and mobs or offline mode. Without those you wont have propper PvE server.
So do you want a proper PvE server or you want just PvP removed becasue you hate it and no other reason.
Also another thing to think on. Take for example Ronaros. Its important spot and contested. But it has zone that is twise the size but empty. Why there is no mobs there. It will help more people to grind there but they dont put mobs. Why they keep it so tense ? You know the answer even if dont gona admit it.
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