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Request: NA PVE Servers
Feb 13, 2021, 23:26 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Feb 18, 2021, 00:50 (UTC)
# 41
On: Feb 17, 2021, 23:06 (UTC), Written by Retteo

You are reading into it a little to much.  I simply stated the short hand version which holds true even to your own definitions.

 

"Your claim is that PVP is what we have all grown to know."

I grant that everyone uses a similar meaning for this which is sufficient for the conversation.  Rather than spell out all the details of how it's both PVE and PVP overlapping.  I don't think there is an opposing side to this.  So the statement stands up.  More clearly, you want everyone to accept it's an OWPVP game with non consensual PVP across the map.  In contrast to having PVP and PVE servers.  Or any combination in between.

 

There may also be disuccsion over what a PVE server is if necessary.  I would presume that include War Dec, RBF, Node, Siege, Duels, essentially all forms of consent PVP.  So you can in fact PVP or duel for spot, if agreed upon.

 

I could see something like 3-8 PVP servers and the rest PVE.  Or a mix of 3 Arsha, 12 PVE, the rest regular etc.

 

I am not fully convinced that many people really want an Arsha server though.  There is currently no real data on how many people would actually play a true honest PVP servers.  One without a drop boost.  I think if they tested with 3 Arsha without a drop boost it would probably be good metrics to whether more or less are needed.

 

Having a significant drop boost on Arsha is skewing the data on how many people prefer that play style.  It's also creating further imbalance for a few people that generally already play a lot more than others just gaining even more advantage.  It's also very unbalanced to specific classes.

 

The choice of playing a PVP server shouldn't be contigent upon a boost, but rather a play style preference.  If the population of a PVP server is withering than so be it, the customers have spoken and we only need 1.  If it's thriving and there is much competition then that is warrant for adding more.

This quote of yours right here:

"Your claim is that PVP is what we have all grown to know."

I grant that everyone uses a similar meaning for this which is sufficient for the conversation.  Rather than spell out all the details of how it's both PVE and PVP overlapping.  I don't think there is an opposing side to this.  So the statement stands up.  More clearly, you want everyone to accept it's an OWPVP game with non consensual PVP across the map.  In contrast to having PVP and PVE servers.  Or any combination in between."

 

One of your opening lines to me.  In here, you are literally dismissing a strong point of view and purposefully twisting the narrative to fit your own.  It is NOT my claim that "PVP is all we've grown to know" -- I did not say that in my first comment here, nor ANY of my replies to you, so why the F are you misrepresenting my argument?  Wtf?  That's not cool.  Seems the only way you can remain viable in this debate is to purposefully spin the narrative, which let's me know you're not here to actually discuss, but more likely to push an agenda.

 

CASE IN POINT: BDO is a PvEvP or PvX open world, sandbox-y MMORPG.  By adding a PvE only server, it would completely dismantle this very core, very basic aspect of the game which has been one of the game's defining features since day 1.  Massive changes would need to take place in order for it to work and it is my opinion that the devs have more important things to work on than to figure out how a PvE Only server will work in the context of Black Desert Online.

 

People don't like to be griefed - I get that.  People want a choice to play strictly PvE - I get that. 

 

What YOU need to get is the FACT that a full-on PvE server is NOT the BDO we've all grown to know -- because PvE only is NOT PvX.  Make sense?

 

You mentioned this:  "More clearly, you want everyone to accept it's an OWPVP game with non consensual PVP across the map.  In contrast to having PVP and PVE servers.  Or any combination in between."

 

To not get misrepresented ONCE AGAIN -- no.  People need to realize that a PvE only server will simply NOT WORK in the context of current day BDO.  If it were to work, sweepin changes would need to take place because of how different this game is from traditional, dungeon crawling MMO's, changes like instanced content, which we all should know the devs would much rather avoid.  People will still grief each other on PvE only servers -- what's stopping a geared player from going to Polly's and grinding over someone trying to farm?  It will create a host of NEW PROBLEMS, so massive changes would need to take place for it to work.  This is nothing but more work for the dev team who already have a ton of stuff on their plate and more pressing matters to address, like class imbalance.

 

Now, anyone can have their opinions on whether BDO could use one or not, no one's attacking anyone for their opinions.  But blatant lies like the one you've displayed here?  Not condusive to an actual discussion, and only effective for controlling the narrative.  Yes, I view a Strawman Fallacy as a blatant LIE.

 

You're not fit for a discussion by continuing to misrepresent the stance of any opposing view and whatever you say after that becomes invalidated because your stance bases itself off an entirely false premise.

Last Edit : Feb 18, 2021, 00:55 (UTC)
# 42
On: Feb 13, 2021, 23:26 (UTC), Written by Josiah

Hi,

 

I am a big fan of this game. You have the best lifeskill system in the genre, and should be proud. This game has many PVE players like myself. Getting ganked while you are horse training and can not defend yourselff is never fun. I just wanted you to know that you have a huge community in NA that would wlecome PVE servers.

 

Thanks!

We already have season servers. Easy solution.

Last Edit : Feb 18, 2021, 01:23 (UTC)
# 43
On: Feb 18, 2021, 00:55 (UTC), Written by Meemo

We already have season servers. Easy solution.

AFK lifeskilling, like horse training which is what the OP mentioned, while outside safe zones should be done with a level 49 or below character.

 

My AFK fisher always fishes outside safe zones, out in the open too.  He's never been PK'd...because this AFK lifeskill charcater is level 49.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Not even sure why some people insist on AFK lifeskilling in combat zones with level 50+ when it's well known 49 and below cannot be flagged for PVP and then blame others.  I do feel for active lifeskillers, though, who get PK'd while lifeskilling.  I don't lifeskill much, but yeah, can imagine it's sucky to get PK'd out of nowhere while wearing lifeskill gear.

Last Edit : Feb 18, 2021, 02:05 (UTC)
# 44
On: Feb 18, 2021, 01:23 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos

AFK lifeskilling, like horse training which is what the OP mentioned, while outside safe zones should be done with a level 49 or below character.

 

My AFK fisher always fishes outside safe zones, out in the open too.  He's never been PK'd...because this AFK lifeskill charcater is level 49.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Not even sure why some people insist on AFK lifeskilling in combat zones with level 50+ when it's well known 49 and below cannot be flagged for PVP and then blame others.  I do feel for active lifeskillers, though, who get PK'd while lifeskilling.  I don't lifeskill much, but yeah, can imagine it's sucky to get PK'd out of nowhere while wearing lifeskill gear.

I appreciate sharing the PVE loophole you approve of and enjoy. I would like to do the same with my main while in lifeskill gear. I really want to do my PVE dailies for contribution, and my lifeskilling on the same character. The level restrictions prevent that. Thank you for your understanding.



Last Edit : Feb 18, 2021, 11:13 (UTC)
# 45
Écrit le : 17 févr. 2021, 18:02 (UTC), par : Unknown

they have that option. the moment you accept to go level 50 you allow PVP to be part of your bdo journey.
You cant do all the content in bdo with 0 pvp. thats not what bdo is designed for. seasonal are temporary servers. eventually you will go to the real servers and you WILL get forced PVP.


BDO is a territorial game. if you cant protect your grind session, you cant have it.. its the rule of the jungle. survival of the fittest.  People need to learn to accept this. 

 that argument is way too old. And its still will never be valid for obvious reasons ( quest, story, pve not needing forced pvp to function, character progression & skill in general, so the fact that level 49lock was at the time where "lvl max" was 50 ~ like the nowdays level 60-61. )

 

Actualy, you can do all the content in BDO ( open world pve content ofc ) with 0 forced pvp, as no pve system need forced pvp, to function ( therefore if no one try to force pvp on your character, you will still go through the same exact content that will function the exact same way )

 

the unability to play BDO without forced pvp is only in your head. Which is fine ( as long as you dont try to make your opinion look like its the only way possible, in that case it will indeed become an issue ), as pve channel dont have for goal to prevent players like you to stick with forced pvp with all others players thinking like you.

 

BDO is the survival of nothing beside the size of your bank account to p2w harder than others.

Last Edit : Feb 18, 2021, 17:17 (UTC)
# 46
On: Feb 18, 2021, 08:17 (UTC), Written by Woots

 that argument is way too old. And its still will never be valid for obvious reasons ( quest, story, pve not needing forced pvp to function, character progression & skill in general, so the fact that level 49lock was at the time where "lvl max" was 50 ~ like the nowdays level 60-61. )

 

Actualy, you can do all the content in BDO ( open world pve content ofc ) with 0 forced pvp, as no pve system need forced pvp, to function ( therefore if no one try to force pvp on your character, you will still go through the same exact content that will function the exact same way )

 

the unability to play BDO without forced pvp is only in your head. Which is fine ( as long as you dont try to make your opinion look like its the only way possible, in that case it will indeed become an issue ), as pve channel dont have for goal to prevent players like you to stick with forced pvp with all others players thinking like you.

 

BDO is the survival of nothing beside the size of your bank account to p2w harder than others.

There are many faults in the system that are not addressed.  For example a PVP MMO is supposed to be you and your side vs others.  Other guilds, individuals.  A competition for resources.

 

When you add P2W to that model everything is instantly destroyed.  You were supposed to out perform your opponents.  Spend more time, be more effecient.  Now that you can just buy your power everything is distorted.

 

You are supposed to FIGHT for those resources.  That means risk and competition.  But wait!! You can just BUY power.  Without competing.  Without spending the time.

 

So the entire premise of "PVPing over limited resources" is already destroyed.

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Last Edit : Feb 18, 2021, 18:48 (UTC)
# 47
On: Feb 18, 2021, 01:42 (UTC), Written by Josiah

I appreciate sharing the PVE loophole you approve of and enjoy. I would like to do the same with my main while in lifeskill gear. I really want to do my PVE dailies for contribution, and my lifeskilling on the same character. The level restrictions prevent that. Thank you for your understanding.



I would like a lot of things too.  Like being able to progress via PVP instead of "being forced to PVE" in order to PVP.  But when I think about it, I realise it's nothing more than selfish desires, and not really wanting to improve the game as a whole.  Because I realise BDO's PVE and PVP coincide with each other...being a PVX game, having PVE and PVP exist in tandem is it's very fundamental style, and one of the main reasons I choose this game over other "traditional" MMO's.  I think that's why a lot of us choose BDO too, because it's just so different from what we're used to in the west.  At first, I was appalled by the fact there wasn't PVE-gear and PVP-gear - that in order to get stronger gear for PVP, you had to do loads of PVE activities.  But as time went on, I realised this is just how the game is meant to be, a sandbox-y MMO and realized, that within the context of this game, that's how it should be.

 

About your wish, the devs stated this is an earlier interview:

 

"The PK system needs to be improved. New Adventurers or fearful Adventurers are too scared to play.
Black Desert is an open-world game designed to allow you go anywhere, and let’s you freely enjoy your choice in playstyle. However, the level of freedom goes up, it means other Adventurers are able to interfere in the adventures of others as you stated. But there are a variety of safeguards put in place that don’t compromise the fundamental freedoms of the game.

First of all, there are many safe zones spread around, including towns and cities, the inability to PK characters under level 50, and the growth server Olvia has forced PvP mode turned off. In addition, we created an environment where Adventurers who recklessly PK are imposed with disadvantages that makes it difficult to harass an Adventurer. On the other hand, for adventurers who want to enjoy PK, we are continuing to develop a variety of PVP content, along with the Battle Arena, Red Battlefield, Arena of Arsha, Node War, Conquest War, and the desert itself.

We will continue to think about ways to make your adventures more enjoyable."

 

Hopefully the devs can address your concerns in a non-game-breaking way.

Last Edit : Feb 18, 2021, 20:56 (UTC)
# 48
On: Feb 18, 2021, 18:33 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos

I would like a lot of things too.  Like being able to progress via PVP instead of "being forced to PVE" in order to PVP.  But when I think about it, I realise it's nothing more than selfish desires, and not really wanting to improve the game as a whole.  Because I realise BDO's PVE and PVP coincide with each other...being a PVX game, having PVE and PVP exist in tandem is it's very fundamental style, and one of the main reasons I choose this game over other "traditional" MMO's.  I think that's why a lot of us choose BDO too, because it's just so different from what we're used to in the west.  At first, I was appalled by the fact there wasn't PVE-gear and PVP-gear - that in order to get stronger gear for PVP, you had to do loads of PVE activities.  But as time went on, I realised this is just how the game is meant to be, a sandbox-y MMO and realized, that within the context of this game, that's how it should be.

 

About your wish, the devs stated this is an earlier interview:

 

"The PK system needs to be improved. New Adventurers or fearful Adventurers are too scared to play.
Black Desert is an open-world game designed to allow you go anywhere, and let’s you freely enjoy your choice in playstyle. However, the level of freedom goes up, it means other Adventurers are able to interfere in the adventures of others as you stated. But there are a variety of safeguards put in place that don’t compromise the fundamental freedoms of the game.

First of all, there are many safe zones spread around, including towns and cities, the inability to PK characters under level 50, and the growth server Olvia has forced PvP mode turned off. In addition, we created an environment where Adventurers who recklessly PK are imposed with disadvantages that makes it difficult to harass an Adventurer. On the other hand, for adventurers who want to enjoy PK, we are continuing to develop a variety of PVP content, along with the Battle Arena, Red Battlefield, Arena of Arsha, Node War, Conquest War, and the desert itself.

We will continue to think about ways to make your adventures more enjoyable."

 

Hopefully the devs can address your concerns in a non-game-breaking way.

There is only one option that is listed there that as OWPVP, the desert.  Several other PVP games including an old web browser game split their world into PVP and Non PVP zones.

 

It would essentially be like making Star's End a safe zone (PVE).  While Sycra is (PVP).  That way you can choose to either play in a safe zone or PVP.  This wouldn't take a lot of work to implement in BDO.  Especially by using far less resource intensive things like revamping lower areas.

 

It would still keep everyone on the same servers, and people could choose their play style.  In fact it would probably be a lot better for PVPers as the people in PVP zones would be more likely to engage in duels or combat.  It would probably lessen Karma Bombing and other negative interactions.

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Last Edit : Feb 19, 2021, 01:35 (UTC)
# 49
On: Feb 16, 2021, 22:29 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos

Umm...you know you can channel swap, right?  You know you can come back later, right?

 

So because YOU don't like PvP, then that means YOU get the speacial treatment?

 

OK well, what if I said "I don't like PvE or whaling, but I still want 700 GS.  I only want to PvP in this game, so stop FORCING me to PvE in order to get stronger in PvP".  Would you think I'm being reasonable?

 

As it stands, this game's PvE AND PvP compliment each others.  PvE to get stronger in PvP.  PvP to hold your spot / gatherable resources / etc. 

 

It's a shared world, everyone's after the same resources (generally), so don't be surprised if you're grinding and someone wants that spot for themselves.  This, of course, does NOT excuse outright toxic behavior, which is something the devs need to figure how to deal with organically, and not changing the entire premise of the game to accomodate a group of anti-PvP players who choose to play a PvP game.  And yes, BDO is a PvP game....it is also a PvE game, also a grind-game, also a lifeskill game, a market-analysis game, etc. all at the same time -- and to me, this is what makes this game beautiful.

Already do but why am I the only  one that has to do that? Why doesnt the attacker have to swap server ?

Last Edit : Feb 19, 2021, 02:52 (UTC)
# 50
On: Feb 19, 2021, 01:35 (UTC), Written by Chriszo

Already do but why am I the only  one that has to do that? Why doesnt the attacker have to swap server ?

You don't necessarily "have to"...if you would be able to defend yourself against said attackers.  But I know that doesn't necessarily address your playstyle.  I hope you continue reading because I feel we can maybe come to some common ground, despite being on opposite sides of the fence, so to speak.  But on the issue of why you need to swap but they don't......

 

Your attacker will have their share of "consequences" too, lowered Karma being the big one.  So while the attacker may not have to swap server, if they go red, they are at risk of losing potentially very expensive crystals, combat EXP, risk item enhancement levels, and cannot enjoy some of the luxuries of non-red players like not being chased by guards in towns / cities.  Some of these consequences can be alleviated to an extent, but a red player cannot enjoy the many luxuries we, non-red players, can take for granted.

 

Two sides to every coin.

 

I've been griefed in another way than you, on multiple occasions, where I feel I was not in the wrong, yet I was the one who receives "punishment" for someone else's toxic behavior, kind of similar to what you're talking about.  (IE: Your "punishment" in this context is swapping server, mine, potentially losing Karma).

 

On these occasions, I was grinding Star's End alone, minding my own business.  A "solo" grind spot.  In a rotation with no one around, literally, not bothering a soul.  In comes a guildless player with gear not high enough to kill the mobs efficiently, hitting mobs in the rotation I've occupied, alone and for a while.  I attempt to communicate nicely to this person, multiple times, saying things like "Hey, I'm grinding this rotation, mind leaving until my LS is done?" -- polite, courteous, not the "SPOT TAKEN NOW LEAVE" type of thing.  I get literally ignored.  I know this player sees me and sees the chat bubble above my head.  Still, 100% ignores and continues inefficiently hitting mobs in this rotation, despite me not being toxic at all.  You should understand how triggering this is, in the context of BDO, that solo grind spots like Star's End are most effectively farmed by grinding solo.  That and my gameplay experience is effectively ruined by people like this.  This person is intentionally interfering with my time and my silver, similar in a way to your issue of being flagged.

 

So, what am I to do here?  Do I leave this rotation, that I've occupied for a while and was there first, to some player who isn't courteous and who is clearly not geared enough for this spot?  Do I pack up my bags and swap rotaions or servers just because someone else came along?  Like, "Oh look, someone else came in, looks like I need to go!" -_- This is the same scenario as yours.  Except the toxic person in my scenario experiences ZERO penalty -- I will if I choose to PK them, which, most people will do out of frustration intentionally caused by someone who thinks they own every rotation!  And they'll just keep coming back!

 

What are players to do here?  IMO it's -- Hello toxic player, let me introduce you to the GRAY SCREEN.  But then, who is to truly suffer?  It would then be me.  And I was not the one who started this whole mess to begin with, I was just playing the game and literally got my experience ruined by some entitled gamer, with nothing I can do about it without being punished for it. 

 

WHY AM I GETTING PUNISHED FOR DEFENDING MYSELF?

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