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Do not centralise NA servers and the arguments/suggested alternatives for this
Dec 17, 2023, 11:32 (UTC)
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# 61
On: Dec 22, 2023, 23:33 (UTC), Written by BallzDeep69

"North America server". Last time I checked Australia and NZ aren't in NA 

NA located servers. The link given several times in this topic proves that these servers are not dedicated to NA only, and OCE players have the same choice than us to go on either EU or NA located servers.

So no, Australia and NZ aren't in NA, but it doesn't even matter in this situation. But it was less tiring to blindly throw the usual nonsense than to read the previous pages, right? XD

Last Edit : Dec 23, 2023, 12:35 (UTC)
# 62
On: Dec 22, 2023, 22:22 (UTC), Written by Cleezus

No one said you guys have no place on these servers, we said you aren't important enough to be requesting selfish changes that would negatively affect the main audience these servers cater to

Centaur4life and Xenon did say that at the beginning, explicitly. Check again.

And technically, OCE players are not requesting any change, that's even their main idea. XD 

Last Edit : Dec 23, 2023, 12:36 (UTC)
# 63
On: Dec 18, 2023, 14:17 (UTC), Written by Centaurs4life

Don't care about AnZ in relation to the NA servers, they were never supposed to VPN into the NA region in the first place.  It is your fault you didn't join the SEA server.  Heck the SA server is closer, use that.  By your logic they need to move the KR servers to NA if 1 player from NA connects to KR from NA.  The vast majority of players in NA would benefit from the servers being centralized.  Canada and the east coast despite being NA get better connection to EU.  

On: Dec 18, 2023, 20:33 (UTC), Written by Xenon

Oh yeah, we totally shouldn't centralize the servers in the intended service region for people playing out of region. Are you out of your mind? The majority of NA population is east coast, so this change would widely benefit the majority of players. But we shouldn't make this change for the tiny amount of players that live on the other side of the world, playing a server they were never meant to... Crazy. Snowflake mentality, honestly.

You have to pay for a vpn because you chose a server that you were never meant to play. OCE is not listed as part of the server region. We should not be made to endure worse conditions just so you can have 220 ping instead of 240.

The "snowflake mentality" is particularly ironic, to my opinion. XD

Last Edit : Dec 23, 2023, 15:25 (UTC)
# 64

Just centralize servers, do what's best for the majority of of players instead of trying to save a few OCE players who can't really be helped. If you choose to connect to a server 10,000 miles away, that's on you. I would never connect to a server across the globe and demand that my ping be prioritized over the people who actually live in the region. I would just quit/never start, who wants 200 ping. 

Last Edit : Dec 23, 2023, 18:35 (UTC)
# 65

Do centralize the servers, please.  Do not let a loud minority let the gameplay experience of many people be severely diminished just so that 1 player from another region has slightly less awful, but still awful ping.  There are literally dozens if not more east coast NA players for every OCE player, the level of special treatment being requested here is insanity.

Also the claim that east coast US players have sub 100 ping is just a blatant lie, the OP isn't even arguing in good faith.  Most are 130-150ms.  Centralizing the servers would bring the median ping of players from NA to around 60, which is how it should be.  Average ping is not a good metric when the average is so polarized with 20% of players being blessed with <30 ping while the vast majority are a hundred above that.

I feel bad for Aus/NZ players, but you all should at least admit to what you're doing: brigading and literally demanding that your needs be put above those of a playerbase multiple times times your size.  None of these arguments about "this was the server we were told to go to!" matter.  Just admit that you all believe that each individual in aus/nz is worth more than dozens of east coast US players.  I also don't want to hear "tHeRe ArE mOrE aUsTrAlIaNs tHaN YoU tHiNk", you're not convincing anyone that there is even a drop in the bucket worth of players from OCE compared to just the east coast of the US.  There are literally individual states on the east coast of the US with nearly the same entire population of Australia.

Now take the fact that a SINGLE state has as many people as your entire region.  How many do you think are east of the rocky mountains and would get improved ping with centralized servers?  Guess.  Over 40 of them.  Want another metric?  There are 30 million people in Aus/NZ.  Guess how many are in the US alone that live east of the rocky mountains and would have more playable ping from central servers?  280 million.  In the US alone, not including >20 million canadian players who would suddenly have a far improved gameplay experience from central servers.  Even if the ratio of players from each region is exactly the same per population (doubt), some of you are acting like your ping should be taken into account above 10 other people

Just admit that you're selfish.  It's selfish.  It's bias.  Own up to it.  The numbers are right here for you, google them if you want.  Any argument you try to make in the face of them is selfish and you know it.

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# 67
On: Dec 23, 2023, 18:02 (UTC), Written by Mlem

Do centralize the servers, please.  Do not let a loud minority let the gameplay experience of many people be severely diminished just so that 1 player from another region has slightly less awful, but still awful ping.  There are literally dozens if not more east coast NA players for every OCE player, the level of special treatment being requested here is insanity.

Also the claim that east coast US players have sub 100 ping is just a blatant lie, the OP isn't even arguing in good faith.  Most are 130-150ms.  Centralizing the servers would bring the median ping of players from NA to around 60, which is how it should be.  Average ping is not a good metric when the average is so polarized with 20% of players being blessed with <30 ping while the vast majority are a hundred above that.

I feel bad for Aus/NZ players, but you all should at least admit to what you're doing: brigading and literally demanding that your needs be put above those of a playerbase multiple times times your size.  None of these arguments about "this was the server we were told to go to!" matter.  Just admit that you all believe that each individual in aus/nz is worth more than dozens of east coast US players.  I also don't want to hear "tHeRe ArE mOrE aUsTrAlIaNs tHaN YoU tHiNk", you're not convincing anyone that there is even a drop in the bucket worth of players from OCE compared to just the east coast of the US.  There are literally individual states on the east coast of the US with nearly the same entire population of Australia.

Now take the fact that a SINGLE state has as many people as your entire region.  How many do you think are east of the rocky mountains and would get improved ping with centralized servers?  Guess.  Over 40 of them.  Want another metric?  There are 30 million people in Aus/NZ.  Guess how many are in the US alone that live east of the rocky mountains and would have more playable ping from central servers?  280 million.  In the US alone, not including >20 million canadian players who would suddenly have a far improved gameplay experience from central servers.  Even if the ratio of players from each region is exactly the same per population (doubt), some of you are acting like your ping should be taken into account above 10 other people

Just admit that you're selfish.  It's selfish.  It's bias.  Own up to it.  The numbers are right here for you, google them if you want.  Any argument you try to make in the face of them is selfish and you know it.

I made the comment that there are more than you think but I have not asked for the servers to be moved closer to me, nor have I asked for them to be left where they are. My motive in replying to this thread  was to refute the wrongness of the people saying we should not be on NA servers.

It has been said that as Oceania players do not LIVE in NA we should not be here. This is not true because this is the only region we were allowed to be in. The SEA servers were not open to Oceania players when they were open and even more importantly they did mot exist when I began playing BDO at Na/EU launch.

Another thing to those people saying Oceania players have no right to be on the NA server but telling us to go to SEA servers, you are lacking logic or consistency. Australia and New Zealand are NOT GEOGRAPHICALLY any more a part  of South East Adia than we are a part of North America. So by your own words we dont belong there either.

Ps, I dont use a vpn to play bdo and I did not have to use a VPN to create my BDO acvount on the NA servet. I would have had to lie and use  a VPN if I had wanted to join the SEA server when it did launch  because we were not included in that service area.

To the person who says we should go to EU, I have some characters on th EU server and I can confidently tell you that the ping to NA is far better than to EU.

Last Edit : Dec 23, 2023, 19:44 (UTC)
# 68
On: Dec 23, 2023, 15:25 (UTC), Written by BDO1fan

Just centralize servers, do what's best for the majority of of players instead of trying to save a few OCE players who can't really be helped. If you choose to connect to a server 10,000 miles away, that's on you. I would never connect to a server across the globe and demand that my ping be prioritized over the people who actually live in the region. I would just quit/never start, who wants 200 ping. 

Anothe fool who refuses to read what he does not want to see. Oceania players had no choice except NA/EU servers when the game launched. There was no SEA server and more importantly Oceania is not a part of SOUTH EAST ASIA..

Last Edit : Dec 23, 2023, 19:42 (UTC)
# 69
On: Dec 23, 2023, 18:54 (UTC), Written by AWildRori

I am Sorry, but like your choosing to play on NA, when EU would prob be a better fit for you. the Server changes are for NA players in NorthAmerica, Canada, Mexica, and SouthAmerican player Base. to help. your concerns are worrying but they should be voiced when your do not even live in NA. you just choose to play on the server.

EU is not better for Oceania players at all, lol Maybe you could look at a map and see that West Coast NA is far closer to Australia than Europe. The cabling from Australia and New Zealand run  under the Pacific Ocean.

Last Edit : Dec 23, 2023, 20:18 (UTC)
# 70
On: Dec 23, 2023, 19:34 (UTC), Written by Chriszo

I made the comment that there are more than you think but I have not asked for the servers to be moved closer to me, nor have I asked for them to be left where they are. My motive in replying to this thread  was to refute the wrongness of the people saying we should not be on NA servers.

It has been said that as Oceania players do not LIVE in NA we should not be here. This is not true because this is the only region we were allowed to be in. The SEA servers were not open to Oceania players when they were open and even more importantly they did mot exist when I began playing BDO at Na/EU launch.

Another thing to those people saying Oceania players have no right to be on the NA server but telling us to go to SEA servers, you are lacking logic or consistency. Australia and New Zealand are NOT GEOGRAPHICALLY any more a part  of South East Adia than we are a part of North America. So by your own words we dont belong there either.

Ps, I dont use a vpn to play bdo and I did not have to use a VPN to create my BDO acvount on the NA servet. I would have had to lie and use  a VPN if I had wanted to join the SEA server when it did launch  because we were not included in that service area.

To the person who says we should go to EU, I have some characters on th EU server and I can confidently tell you that the ping to NA is far better than to EU.

This isn't the argument people should consider at all when it comes to server location.  I understand that australian players were sent here.  That's fine.  It's a foolish red herring argument (regardless of whether it's an oce player saying they were sent here or an NA player saying oce people do not belong).  This is purely about doing the most good for the most people, the numbers don't lie. It has been known since the game came out that the pvp experience on NA has been one of the worst out of all regions are far as latency goes.

I'd be happy if OCE players had a channel dedicated to them to play on with localized servers that are connected to the NA servers, but as far as anything PvP-related goes, we need centralized servers.  Anyone that is advocating to the servers to stay in place is arguing in bad faith and convienently refuses to acknowledge that doing so would put the needs of the few above the needs of the many. 

We're talking at the very least a 10:1 ratio of east coast to oce players, and it's in all likelihood even more severe than that since many oce players don't bother playing on an NA server-only game anyways, and they certainly aren't doing pvp en-masse because they know that their country is in the figurative corner of the world which leads to a bad experience. 

It's getting tiring being told that the majority of the population should suffer because it will affect a few people, without even an attempt at compromise like split channels.  I haven't seen a single oce player ask for that.  Only for the servers to stay in place and keep the majority of players in a scuffed gameplay experience.

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