Why did you even answer to him? His post was irrelevant.

Gta v online techicality is MMORPG. Especially with FiveM.

If you think these are real PvX mmorpgs ,Then go back to them an dont comeback, since you have no idea what a PvX mmorpg is.

You have zero concept of a mmorpg(if you didnt get the hint), congrats you worked out the difference between a moba and a mmo next work out the difference between your views of bdo being a single player rpg vs a true PvX MMORPG right now its as close to a  true PvX  that we are going to get.

Nope. People who dislike forced pvp dislike this kind of answer. See the difference?

Too bad for you, I never complained about karmabombing/bodythrow alone. I always managed to make this kind of people leave with a subtle mix of CC/PK/Mob feeding. I even go red sometimes, but that's intended and I'm ok with the consequences.

I just think that as long as it exists, mob feeding will exist too, so we need to get rid of both at the same time to come back to an healthier system. 

But go on, lie about me, it won't make you right.

Cute, but wrong. Do you really think that bodythrowing is only used by the "weak player who was first on the spot and was kicked of the spot through owpvp"? That's naive, it is used by every player who want a spot and know that he can't confront his competitor. You can be undoubtedly first on a spot, you'll sometimes find a guy coming, ksing you and refusing any other interaction with you. 

Bodythrowing exists because some people don't appreciate the intended mechanics and want to use another method to get a spot. And that's quite daring of you to blame us for the existence of bodythrowing. 

PK is intended, the existence of penalties proves it.

Bodythrowing is a side effect, the lack of punishment associated to the death shows a loophole.

Mob feeding is a "side side" effect, still without punishement, the same kind of loophole.

Let's remove the loopholes. In the end, what's left? Yep, pk and its penalties. BDO is this kind of game. 

So, back to square one : No. That's the exact contrary here, and it's intended. Nobody has the right to grind in peace. It's is not even a mocking answer, that's simply a fact, you're not supposed to grind peacefully on BDO!

He is clueless about bdo. Go check his previous posts lose braincells. He is trying to dumb down the game to make it speed runable to all achievements. Hes said a multitude of times he is a completionist.

Actually there's no difference so I don't know what you're trying to say there... ofc people who don't like it don't like those answers, there's no need to say something naturally implied... Nevermind.

On that I agree with bodythrowing being part of the game. I hate it and never do it but it's one of the game mechanics. As well as karma bombing.

PKing can give penalties and it's normal, you assume the hostile interraction you create with another player.

The mad thing here is that pkers want to kill without any consequence. Red Karma is BDO's system to limit free killings. Most people complain about free killings. For those who want to cancel Red Karma, it's a NO.

For those who are using the mechanics of the game by throwing into mobs, good for them. I dislike that kind of thing but who am I to say it should be blocked... It rarely happens in my world anyway, so for the ones who encounter this kind of situation often, I don't know how but they must be searching for it.

And yes and no, "you can't grind in peace in this game". What I understood earlier was more like "you can't grind in peace because we want to pk everyone anyway". You can still grind in peace when you avoid conflict by switching or moving. Generally it's enough for most people as it is for me. Yeah, pk is part of the game and I don't blame it. I blame it when it becomes toxic.

You should formulate a bit better your answer sometimes... you mislead with some of your formulations.

Ok I agree, he is... let's say passionate.

But if so, no need to post as dumb things.

I'm used to read better points from you, even when I disagree! ;)

(and I often disagree with you!)

I rather have logical discussions then illogical arguments tbvh ^ 

Logic always goes further an reaps benefits of knowledge. Thats my opinion at least

Lets see...

A.] A bigger negative karma will not help stop Pk.
B.] Karma-Bomb players need to be marked so other players can avoid them.

C.] Gear degradation does not affect red players and pker.
D.] Karma System needs to be scrapped.

Sigh.... my head is hurting...

If you agreed with me about red karma not being a big enough punishment, we could be friends. ;)

You're looking for solutions to a problem that doesn't exist.

A. Pk will always exist and there are players assuming their red karma anyway.

B. You can't avoid karma bomb players since they can't be listed or marked. Not manageable.

C. Gear degradation is a consequence for creating an hostile interraction. Of course there should be. And it came after most players asked for sanctions for pkers.

D. Karma system is also a consequence for creating an hostile interraction. Of course there should be! And it came after most players asked for sanctions for pkers.

What you're trying to do here is not to "find a solution", but you're trying to "find a solution for pkers."

The same way lifeskillers and pve players asked for lifeskill or pve servers and pkers complained.

Each side made their points. Nobody will agree. There's no solution because there's no real problem. It's in your head (not you especially but everyone's still trying to debate on something none will ever agree with).