Last I checked succ dk, mae, musa, absolutely shred people in milliseconds especially in Aos. You prepared to do baby damage in exchange for a grab cause you guys are not proposing ANY nerfs in exchange for grab. 

These high damage classes would need MAJOR damage reduction and to reduce protected ccs to one or two max. 

Say goodbye to  cc on wheel, or should they remove cc from airstrike? 

With the upcoming change to PvP that are solely in favor of large scale PvP and a direct nerf to every non-grab/grapple class this is needed for balance. 

you cannot even remotely balance PvP going forward when certain classes have mechanics to directly bypass the upcoming nerf to small scale PvP. No matter what changes you make several classes will have an advantage and we are overdue for this simple solution. You can rebalance PvP after this.

for those that don't know on global labs they are adding protections across the board to skills which makes non grab classes suffer. 

The upcoming changes aren't even balanced because several classes are still getting more protections than others like warrior who can stay in super armor and have a grab.

As far as the last time I checked, a lot of grab classes did just as much, some even more, damage than non-grab classes including DK. Therefore saying that a DK has damage to compensate for a lack of grab is dumb, let alone the fact that having high damage alone isn't as OP as being able to ignore SA/FG and that will be even more true after the next proposed balance patch the devs had revealed. Every class is going to need a grab after that.

Once again, all you can do is missquote others and selectively cherrypick what thye said. I won't even bother to quote here what the person you are quoting says about grabs, because that would be too easy. The rest of your post is more of you just arguing about arguing rather than offering different perspectives on the matter.

One thing I have to say is, I have never seen a segment of players defend a skill so desperately like some grab players (you) defend their beloved grab skill. You want to talk about removing iframe? take it, I do not need it, don't give me any compensation either! You on the other hand are hanging to dear life, defending your prescious grab;

unfortunately, you don't have the facts nor the ability to present your case in a convincing manner nor have one to begin with as I have show repeatedly, dismantling your case piece by piece. If this was in court, your case would be thrown out after I was done with your first post. :)

lol so all I have to do then is to reroll to sage and then just keep on saying the same thing about grab being game-breaking? Or do I forcibly have to become a Berserker? It's too funny how the entire argument of the pro-grablets resides entirely on sorc-hood. Such a vulnerable stance you choose to base your entire argument on and very easy to topple!

So this is what I'll do, I'll change my main to Berserker, come back here. Say the same thing I've been saying regarding reality, that grabs are a win button and that they have no counter and counter everything and should be erradicated or given to everyone; and you won't have a single argument against me and you'll be completely disarmed, because I will be a Berserker class... good job! Logic is so beautiful ^.^

Actually I really think u will be suck at playing any class without iframe/gaps. Average sorc main complains about grab. 

Ok I want to introduce another angle for this discussion.

27 classes in this game. 

Lets hear your argument for why these classes don't have grabs but others do.

Witch, no grab despite its male counterpart wizard having grab?

Dark Knight / Sorc, have iframes, but Tamer has actually got more iframes than dk and yet has a grab?

Archer / Maegu, they are ranged so don't deserve grab right, but wait, awak corsair is ranged and has ranged grab?

Musa / Maewha, they are too mobile grab would be op, but doesn't lahn have the fastest grab engage, can't ninja stealth engage you into grab?

Woosa, idk equate that to wizard/sage or something use your imagination.

Shai is in a unique spot but at this point, can't leave anyone behind.

The point is, the reasons you don't want the last 9 classes to have grabs, should apply to at least 1 other class that does have a grab.

If you're going to exlude classes from having grabs, you should apply the ruling to all classes equally.