Well yeah ofc but he is making it personal... 

Let me give you some graph 

Preseason solare totally dominated by succ drak 

Season 1 solare first half dominated by succ drak second half dominated by succ Dk 

Season 2 solare first half dominated by succ sage second half dominated by succ meagu 

Season 3 first half dominated by succ mae 

All in these seasons awakening musa was one of the most meta/strong class aswell 

Season 1/2 succ wizard one of the strongest 

Season 2/3 succ sorc is one of the strongest 

Season 3 succ sage, succ woosa one of the strongest

Now you gonna ask me why you don't mention awakening drak? Because awakening drak is not a class where avarege andy picks up in solare and goes high rank unlike the others I mentioned. 

It's not really all about grab... 

First of all it's about player, power of the class mostly scales with player

Second, if the class is very strong and player is very good it's gets obnoxiously broken with or without grab. 

Non grab classes equipped pretty good to deal with grabbers 

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying grab is weak. What I'm saying is the fact people complain about grab so hard is proves they just looking for a scapegoat.

Class has billion iframes dudes gets grabbed goes and says "yep, grabs are broken."

Yes dude grabs are broken but can't you admit that you are totally equipped to deal with the grab yet got grabbed and complained? 

Blame yourself next time, maybe you ll get better at the game then grabs becomes less problematic. 

I wish you all would ignore the trolls who are coming here to derail the thread, intentionally missing the point 

Succ drak dominates because it is wildly overtuned in numbers, everyone agrees this needs nerf.

Almost all of the top 20 draks eu were awakening (with grab) in season 3.

Maegu and sage are both ranged so they dont have to fight in grab range - its basically a non issue as I've already said especially in group fights, nuking a blob. 

Dk didn't dominate season 1, and 2 years ago is irrelivant we've had season 3 already where there were 3 dks in the top 100 eu, the rank 1 boosted 37-11 on awak drakania, a grab class crazy thought that. When you subtract 26 wins worth about 400-500 points, that leaves 2 dks in the top 100.

Edit: I'm actually going to stop following this thread now so if you have any replies to anything I've said, just know I've understood that this topic has historically and currently devolves into people crying about iframes (again despite Tamer, Ninja, Kuno having iframe and grab) and that PA will never change this. I have nothing left to add. Grab classes are never willing to admit that what they have is strong yet would never allow PA to take their grab away from them or give it to other classes. Denial.

AAAAAaand Ad Personam. Nothing better than attacking me for having a grab class?

Just read PeaceInChaos' opinion once more, and I dare you to say that he mention grab as the only problem, or even the main one : 

https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/Forum/ForumTopic/Detail?_topicNo=24952&_page=7&_opinionNo=108565

Point made, you're a dishonest sophist.

All quotes, all demonstrations are in this topic and the previous one. You simply repeated what was already wrong and you expect us to lose time AGAIN with you. 

Just read again :

https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/Forum/ForumTopic/Detail?_topicNo=24952&_page=1

Sure, let devs judge. As of they didn't already do it. XD

Yeah you are in compelete delisuon and listening only to yourself and the fact you said dk is never dominated is proves how blinded you are. And I literally said grabs are broken and I literally said you have everything in your kit to play accordingly yet you are here to perma complain. Like bro, dk sorc these classes are the not one who should be complaining about grab like what? Forget even that calling succ sage ranged is saying Archer is melee. Yeah keep coping. I'm pretty sure you are thinking dk is weak class and needs to be buffed. 

Yawn, I can't help myself.

Everything I've said in that last message is fact, in season 1/2/3 aos leaderboards, there are at best, 1 or 2 dks in the top 100. I have no idea how that consititutes domination. Go check them if you want to refute that. And even if season 1/2 did have domination by your wild claim, it still does not matter, because in season 3, it was in fact weak compared to other classes. The top 100 is proof of that. And those leaderboards are still available to view in game right now. Back your points up or stop contributing.

I'm not complaining about grabs, I'm complaining about the lack of grabs. Theres a difference.

I don't mind getting grabbed and yes that is a reflection of misplay if dk/sorc gets grabbed. If would just be nice to be able to have the option ourselves instead of playing defensively all the time because a warrior or valk just sits there in 360 fg, and the moment we do a forward guard trade (since iframe does no damage remember), we get grabbed or have to cancel the trade via iframe.

Its really not that hard to understand? If we could trade in iframe then fair enough, we don't need grab, but we don't do any damage when iframing.

You ignored all of the stats and facts, and decided to attack me personally. No coping here, just facts.

Feel free to join the dk discord, no one there even plays dk anymore, its tamer and drak rerolls.

If you you're not going to refute anything with an actually based statement, and you're going to continue responding with skill diff, then I'm done, I'll stop responding, gz you win. This is a discussion that your immaturity doesn't have a seat in.

I honestly don't know why you're so triggered that the 9 classes that don't have grab are asking for something that 18 classes already have, if grab is not that big a deal then why are you so defensive about it.

What? People still PvP on non-grab classes in BDO in 2023? Wow, color me surprised! Honestly, BDO has one of the worst PvP balances in the genre, let alone gaming. I would much rather PvP on Guild Wars and even New World, than to pointlessly complain about the obviously unbalanced PvP in BDO ad infinitum. I can play Elementalist competitively at high levels in all content in GW2. And I can play Fire Staff, Ice Gauntlet, and Void Gauntlets competitively at high levels in all content in New World. So, as a mage-at-heart PvPer, why would I complain about BDO rather than just play those MMOs?

Now, to my point. I think it is simple, if you don’t like the meta or the way PvP is in a certain game. Then simply don’t play that feature in said game, and go elsewhere, where the conditions are already more favorable to your liking. I have found that to be the way to go. Plus, it is less stressful. Remember, most BDO PvPers are not looking for good fights. Most BDO PvPers are looking to club baby seals for easy wins and an ego boost. BDO's PvP scene is a joke even among its peers.

You are 100% correct. I might end up taking this advice. Tarkov wiped so my friends have already done so anyway.

You can have Kunos grab i will take your damage any day. Awaken kuno with sorc damage an iframes oh man we would be removed from the game in a week lmao

Also claudia just remember we arent the ones who complained in rbf about grab when you got one shot by a archer an still said you died to a grab after killing like 6 people... Even though peoples grabs failed on you multiple times including my own. Succ sorc has issues your sorc does not. Awaken sorc is busted an you know it. Well idk about after changes but im pretty sure sorc can still shred through fgs and one tap people through SA.

Am I reading this right?  ...Grabs are annoying, they reward Packet Spoofers, & are just plain Imba in general 1v1 while somehow also for whatever reason useless in PvE, and you want MORE grabs taking up our skill trees?  

Who's missing the point here?  IF everyone else seems like the Problem to you, then maybe there's an issue with your own expectations?