No objections to any of this. I'd only then add: Make every class as terribly immobile as sorc presently is.

No class should have the win-button that is grab, but if some are going to be given such an unreasonable skill for no reason at all (as it is evidently the present case), then it is only fair that every class gets it; or better yet, no class at all gets it.

Those should definitely be the bare minimum for grabs. And that would still be asking for a slap on the wrist to moderate that terribly overpowered skill that is the grab-skill.
 

In my opinion, depending on the grab, normal CC's very often can be better due to the specific tools required to apply the grab, again, referring to the Wizard grab as an example. Grabs are not always the best option, it depends on the classes present in the fight, the positioning of them, and the other tools in the kit.
For instance, even if Sorcress had a grab, that doesn't mean it'd automatically become your best CC tool, you would still have times where you go for a Dream of Doom catch. Many classess with grabs have other tools that are more convient/conducive to getting a CC depending on the class.

For example, a Sage might try to land a KD with Ator's Spear or a Float with Elightened Bolt, and depending on the class he's fighting, that could very easily be a better option than trying to go for the grab.
Another Example could be Warrior's Piercing/Frenzied Spear, or Corsair's Sea mist/Wind-Piercer, etc.
You have to consider whether or not the opponent has the tools to bait the grab, apply damage pressure such that you die before even getting close to grab range, or even if they have a grab in the first place.
Grabbing an Archer for instance is very difficult often times because most classes dont have free Iframe engage tools, and have to either use Forward Guard or SA Movement into Archer's mountainous damage, which makes that approach very dangerous.

Yes definitely. But one thing having a grab-skill does grant that no other skill does is the latent threat of being used at any instant to end the match. And that very drastically changes the way an opponent approaches you in pvp. For example, a Warrior facing a non-grab class; the Warrior now cannot just rest in their SA+Block while waiting for some cooldowns to recover if both sides have a grab, then the Warrior would be forced to dance around too, like everyone else, because if the other class approaches you, there is a very realistic risk of getting grabbed, especially if stationary.

Having a grab-skill alone changes so much about the fight even if the grab never gets casted in the entire duration of the fight! And it of course favors the class with the grab-skill. The mere fact alone of the opponent knowing that you have a grab-skill off its cooldown entirely changes how they approach you in the fight; this is not that unfair when both sides have the grab-skill, but it does become highly unfair when only one side has it. For example, if only one side has it then the side with the grab-skill can play more oppressively, placing more pressure on the other class without the grab-skill, and thus raising the chance for them to make a mistake, and all without necessarily even casting the grab-skill. The mere influence is so huge that its mere existence can decide the match, no other skill carries such power. But conversely for this example, grant the grab skill to both sides and then suddenly it is no longer wise to play too oppressive at all times, because now you are at risk of getting grabbed too if you overplay that card; now you can't just get in their face while rotating your SA/FG, now you have to keep your distance and consider positioning a lot more.

Therefore, it is just better in terms of balance if neither side has it, but in case that is too much work for the developer to do, then the next best thing is to at least give the grab-skill to every class.

No. just No thee actual closest is called mystic as succ on both of those classes uses there hands, feet for combos. Ninjas actually have a dope sword,..kuno..gets a eh.. hulahoop yea..i got nothin for the hulahoop other then frisbee spin of death

Really, really, thanks for trying, with so much precision, comparisons and so on. Your point is really well made, detailed, and with all the needed nuances for such a discussion. Gratz! 

But Claudia decided to blame grabs only. It can be seen in his first answer to you, in which he used the exact same strategy, quoting himself, with his self-decided but disproven facts, to then land on his usual conclusion.

Claudia will just say awaken kuno does as much damage as sorc same amount of iframes (lmao) and able to run into the middle of a ball, theres no point arguing with them at this point people are down voting an walking away since they can just check Claudias account characters an already have summed up what Claudia actually knows.  People know there is no point arguing with the same person who goes to rbf who spams constantly well playing awaken sorc

I still have handprints on my ass from last night, those zerkers were so rough :')

But honestly, you're practically asking for the universe which we all know PA can't deliver even 1/50 of and because, as you stated in so many of your posts, you're going to have a lot more disagreements because the makeup of classes are mostly ones with grabs which means PA is less likely to listen.

I'll also add that removing grabs entirely is likely going to remove a part of some classes identities if not entirely. What are strikers and zerkers known for after all? That's not really fair either, you could say, it's better to change it a little and put a wind up to a grab. Then again, given how fast paced pvp is, most people might catch on to that. You're not the only one that I've had to listen to complain about it when they get grabbed, but I've also had to listen to people complain when they don't land a grab (Either because of iframe, desync or bad timing)

Personally, I've just come to accept that everyone who has a grab is just going to lay hands on me if I'm not careful. It works sometimes, sometimes it doesn't. Can't do much else.

Once again, I do not take any of your attacks personally, nor feel compelled to defend myself nor my class at all, because you are evidently not making any points against my case at all, and because I know well that you are just lashing out due to desperation:

It never really mattered to you what class I play nor who I am, it is about trying to discredit me instead of my arguments, because I dared to ask for what is only fair, for everyone to be given a grab-skill in order to make the playing field more equal.

I mean like most BDO PvPers they are not looking for good fights. They are simply looking for highly unbalanced stomps in their favor. My advice to you is to accept that this is what BDO is. And should you feel the urge for some balanced skill based PvP. Just do what most of the actual PvPers who play BDO do. And go PvP in a actual dedicated PvP game that focus is solely PvP.

Considering my original main was dk , an have gone back to her multiple times. Awaken dk if you git gud can shred peoples fg from range  then you need to keep up pressure to kill them through SA an still have leftovers from pre awaken to go into melee , also have to utilize mobility skills to keep distance if the persons not cced. Just like witch. Also awaken maewha you can shred all evasion rats well they are standing up. You can check my account which classes i have played .

Only removed casters cause they are mind numbing like you want sorc to be an every other non grab class. You complained when sorc was busted an still keep complaining.

Considering i have played all them classes lmao 🤣