I agree with this guy. Warrior should also get spammable SA dash that matches Musa if they also get grab skill /s.

At this point, why not just have everyone have S or Q block? Or better, just make it into single class BDO game if everyone gets same mech.

No one tell him :)

The next time you move at your top speed on warrior pay close attention to your stamina bar (particularly, the lack thereof)!

Low-effort poorly-thought derailment attempt. Also then give musa a holdable SA block?

There is a difference between me deciding if something is wrong, and demonstrating how something is wrong. You seem to think that rejection even when it is accompanied by argument is flawed regardless. You are free to do so, however, you cannot expect to be taken seriously when you do not accompany that with your own counterargument. Most of the opposition to my points I face are so easy to dismiss precisely because they aren't even addressing my points, and are instead mere attempts to derail the topic to something else like the excuse of "oh but you play X class."

As I already told you, I stand by this. Link a any post that raised a valid counterargument to any of my points which I have dismissed without first having gone through its logic before debunking it. If such a post exist I will make sure I don't leave that leaf unturned so that there cannot be any where for doubt to hide behind.

I went into meticulous detail on the first post of this thread as to why classes with grabs are the least negatively affected, and even buffed, by the first two options, not so with the last option, option number three. You are welcome to say why what I said is wrong, that's why I expressed it publicly instead of privately submitting my feedback to the developer; because I think my reasoning is solid and flawless, and proof of that is that no one can come up with a way to debunk it.

But you are right on the topic of players not necessarily playing grab-classes in the same ratio as non-grab classes. The 2/3 vs 1/3 is merely describing class distribution based on grab, not players'. The actual ratio is going to be much higher in pvp for grab-classes due to the inherent undeniable advantage of how much easier it makes life in pvp. We see these ratios in a lot of pvp modes in BDO, be it AOS, RBF, or war; and of course compensating for the usual outlier new class which tends to always be over-tuned.

To conclude this post, I still think option #2 is going to bring a lot of good things to pvp if a lot of SA's are truly replaced with FG; grab classes will still have the joker card, a CC that beats everything and nothing beats it (grab), so they win no matter what with option #2. It is just a pity because with option #3 we could have finally put an end to the win-button problem in bdo; but with Pearl Abyss it is never a done deal. :) I have been thinking of more ideas to submit more forum posts that would expose how grab is unbeatable in the most objective of ways (which for now I'll keep as a surprise!). If I see enough denial and resistance to it, I'll likely find the motivation to do it! :)

We exposed many counter arguments to you in the previous topics. No link, I won't help you send poor people to these forgotten topics, but you know where they are. 

You DECIDED that your demonstrations based on your own essay and self-validated facts were enough to debunk anything. But bad luck for you, people can read and decide what they think of your demonstrations, that's why the 2 previous topics disappeared when we stopped feeding the troll. 

On another note, creating a third topic to repeat the same things won't lead you anywhere, and we won't repeat things when you already decided not once, not twice, but thrice, that you were right despite our previous arguments. Just check them.

Anyway, what could we expect from you when we can read your interpretations of option 1 and 2 in your first post in this topic. Right from the start, you read these options with a full intent of blaming grabs, as if new ways to break defences or more FG would not already have a deep impact, even for grabless classes.

nono it's been the case since quite a few years how warrior could outrun musa and yet warrior had the grab too, warrior not burning through stamina while musa becoming asthmatic after a few dashes.  I saw it first hand in pvp all the time, and of course have video proof of it. Things might not be as heavily favored for the warrior any longer but they still are a force to be reckoned with even against musas precisely due to the grab combined with the sa+block, that is true no matter the class warrior faces as long as it lacks a grab. Now instead give the musa a grab too, now the warrior actually has to use his movement and can't just sit in SA+block against musa or other non-grab classes.

And I'll gladly talk about why kuno does not deserve a grab either if u want to go there! :)

Oh, so OP is NA's version of Lemon, got it. That makes your credibility even worse.  And looking at your adventurer profile, I can see you haven't even remotely played any other character besides Sorc... So literally the most biased of biased takes, from the most biased of players. Cool.

Anyway, it's not a popularity contest. It's simple majority rules. You take and apply the choice that benefits the most people the most. PA did not know what that was, so they asked for feedback. The people voted that their best interest and what benefitted them the most was not what you wanted. If you don't understand that concept, you don't belong in a society. Either way, you do not get to take that back. You do not get to pretend like you got bullied out of what you wanted, either. You do not get to denounce it at all. That's just pathetic, and only proves you are a selfish person who only cares about what you want.

Also, overinflated ego, much? Who cares if you've killed more people in rbf? All that proves is you play rbf more than other players. Lemon was the same way, and he wasn't some giga-knowledgable saint of balance. He was a skilled player, sure, but he was a mentally ill person with very selfish takes and severe personality issues first and before that. He complained about literally every other class and talked down to literally everybody else. Do you really want to put yourself on that level? Actually, I think you already have. RBF score... lol. Just lol

Your perspective is fundamentally flawed. It's unfair for some classes in the game to have dominant 'I just win' abilities while others are merely fodder. This arrogance blinds you to the reality that players like me can simply walk away from this unbalanced PvP scene.

While you might revel in maintaining your unfair advantage in PvP, it's important to recognize the ongoing loss of the PvP player base. The majority, enjoying their overpowered status, fail to see that they're driving away a significant portion of the community, further depleting an already sparse PvP scene.

Remember, we're not obligated to engage in such biased conditions. We can choose to abandon this game's PvP for more balanced experiences. The decline of your PvP scene is a consequence of these practices, and the responsibility lies solely with those who endorse this imbalance. Enjoy this temporary advantage, but when it inevitably collapses, remember that the fault lies within.

Lucky for people like myself, BDO is a PvE MMO with a few PvP elements. 

Live Long and Prosper!

Ok, so what was lost with you not participating in pvp? You've vehemently done nothing but complain about the game for years while refusing to do anything to progress your account to a point of viability, refused to actually do anything that would make you any better at the pvp itself and wouldn't just cry about "I win" buttons or class balance, and generally just refused to play at all. What do you actually do in this game, bro?

What gives you a right to complain about anything when you don't play or act like you have some right to an opinion? Also let's not mention the time where succ casters were the literal meta of the game for an entire year or more straight. Anybody else remember succ wizard release up until the eventual nerf of frigid fog and voltaic? I wish I didn't! Harry Potter Online was not a fun game. So stop complaining like Witch is the weakest thing in this game. In a game about grinding, it's really unfair that a class exists that can pull 50% more trash loot than some others for significantly less effort.

Anyway --- you're not in a guild, so you don't nw. You don't have a character past 62 or guru in any lifeskill, so I know you don't have any gear to go into rbf with. You're not on aos rankings anywhere. You aren't part of any pvp playerbase; you're just a guy who complains about the game on the forums for some odd reason. It's like you had one bad experience in ba, and decided it was your life's mission to plague the forums with your awful takes. The irony of what you say is completely lost on you. You're a guy who can't give up complaining about this game despite "being able to walk away from it." Please just go away and find a new hobby.