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Xigncode3 and AMD cpu Temps
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# 101
On: Jan 20, 2024, 14:08 (UTC), Written by Spartakatz

the thread is all about this very problem you're acknowledging here. you sound like it's all fine, unless someone's CPU literally explodes?

you don't need to be a tech expert to understand, that running something at the very limi at maximum temps, max fan noise and and crashes, while doing pretty much nothing, is harmful on the long run. i'm putting current BDO in same category as malicious bitcoin miner trojans.

No the thread is about people with X3D processors having an issue with the new AC. When in reality it's the processors themselves that are the problem. When you have only one category of hardware that is failing, it is not the software's fault. That is what I am saying. Other series of AMD CPUs don't have this problem either, so it's not the software. Generalizing and saying "oh it's the new anti-cheat because my X3D (the only series of processor on the market that is having this issue) is overheating" is overlooking the actual problem of the processor not being able to recognize a power draw issue and correct it. A CPU can (as mentioned by someone else) throttle itself, but that's just the clock speed, not the current draw. You CAN have a processor at half its clock speed but still drawing the same current, and it should be able to see that and lower the current coming in by communicating that to the BIOS. I already pointed out that the BIOS update that "patched" X3Ds exploding only monitors BIOS triggered over-voltage, not software triggered over-voltage/current. So it STILL is a problem with the X3D processor line itself, not the software.

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 14:21 (UTC)
# 102
On: Jan 20, 2024, 14:05 (UTC), Written by Toriia

Her CPU might be running slightly higher, but I guarantee you it's not going to burn up. X3D chips are flawed and AMD admitted and 3rd party researchers proved it was a design flaw with the X3D chips not having the ability to tell the MOBO to stop increasing the power it sends to the CPU rail. They "patched" this flaw with a BIOS update, but the hardware issue was never fixed. If xigncode is monitoring at a rate that causes the CPU to overheat in specific areas of the chip, it's unrelated to the MOBO sending too much current to the chip, and the hardware flaw will reappear. X3Ds simply are not capable of self-overcurrent protection. Intel and series X processors do not have this issue. Change your processor because it's broken, not because it's BDO's fault.

You are not correct. GamersNexus did a whole thing on the issue. This was caused via EXPO profiles being incorrect. The motherboard patches ultimately change the EXPO profiles

EXPO profiles are ultimate done via the motherboard. Not every motherboard manufacturer had this issue with X3D CPUs.

SoC voltages being increased to unsafe levels, either through pre-set voltages in EXPO memory overclocking profiles or manual adjustments by use

CPUs will not ignore commands given by the motherboard. If I want to try and blow my Intel up via bios settings, it will let me.

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 14:25 (UTC)
# 103
On: Jan 20, 2024, 14:05 (UTC), Written by Toriia

Her CPU might be running slightly higher, but I guarantee you it's not going to burn up. X3D chips are flawed and AMD admitted and 3rd party researchers proved it was a design flaw with the X3D chips not having the ability to tell the MOBO to stop increasing the power it sends to the CPU rail. They "patched" this flaw with a BIOS update, but the hardware issue was never fixed. If xigncode is monitoring at a rate that causes the CPU to overheat in specific areas of the chip, it's unrelated to the MOBO sending too much current to the chip, and the hardware flaw will reappear. X3Ds simply are not capable of self-overcurrent protection. Intel and series X processors do not have this issue. Change your processor because it's broken, not because it's BDO's fault.

Why should the consumer be at fault for this. Before Xigncode was placed everyone's system was working fine. No other games on the market are having this issue with Modern CPUs.  Telling people to Change to intel or to a different processor is completely stupid. 

The issue with Motherboard and X3D was Asus motherboards, From what I remember from Gamernexus reporting, AMD has since locked the ability to OC of X3D chips if you updated to your recent Motherboard BIOS. They even said the fault for the high voltage was Asus for not having voltage protection on their boards, compare to others. and overvolating on the board itself. So blaming it on the X3D being the problem is ridiculous. 

Here is a video for it: https://youtu.be/kiTngvvD5dI?t=1574

A game anti cheat should not being causing Modern CPUs to overheat period, no matter what brand or model for it. This is problem Xigncode it self because EAC has never done this to any CPU out there. 

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 14:26 (UTC)
# 104
On: Jan 20, 2024, 14:21 (UTC), Written by Soharu

You are not correct. GamersNexus did a whole thing on the issue. This was caused via EXPO profiles being incorrect. The motherboard patches ultimately change the EXPO profiles

EXPO profiles are ultimate done via the motherboard. Not every motherboard manufacturer had this issue with X3D CPUs.

SoC voltages being increased to unsafe levels, either through pre-set voltages in EXPO memory overclocking profiles or manual adjustments by use

CPUs will not ignore commands given by the motherboard. If I want to try and blow my Intel up via bios settings, it will let me.

The voltages you are talking about are the maximum the MOBO will allow the CPU to draw. They patched it so that the MOBO will only (under certain circumstances) send a maximum of x.xx volts to the CPU which was supposed to fix the *hardware* issue with a BIOS patch. This does not mean that the CPU rail can't still overvolt under other circumstances causing the *hardware* issue to reappear. So no, I am not wrong, and neither are you, but you missed the point.

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 14:31 (UTC)
# 105
On: Jan 20, 2024, 14:26 (UTC), Written by Toriia

The voltages you are talking about are the maximum the MOBO will allow the CPU to draw. They patched it so that the MOBO will only (under certain circumstances) send a maximum of x.xx volts to the CPU which was supposed to fix the *hardware* issue with a BIOS patch. This does not mean that the CPU rail can't still overvolt under other circumstances causing the *hardware* issue to reappear. So no, I am not wrong, and neither are you, but you missed the point.

Also not true depending on manufactuer. I can still set my soc voltage as high as 1.7v if I want. They patched the EXPO profiles for Gigabyte and Asrock. 

ASUS is the only brand who got the voltage limit 

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 14:34 (UTC)
# 106
On: Jan 20, 2024, 14:24 (UTC), Written by BladeNero

Why should the consumer be at fault for this. Before Xigncode was placed everyone's system was working fine. No other games on the market are having this issue with Modern CPUs.  Telling people to Change to intel or to a different processor is completely stupid. 

The issue with Motherboard and X3D was Asus motherboards, From what I remember from Gamernexus reporting, AMD has since locked the ability to OC of X3D chips if you updated to your recent Motherboard BIOS. They even said the fault for the high voltage was Asus for not having voltage protection on their boards, compare to others. and overvolating on the board itself. So blaming it on the X3D being the problem is ridiculous. 

Here is a video for it: https://youtu.be/kiTngvvD5dI?t=1574

A game anti cheat should not being causing Modern CPUs to overheat period, no matter what brand or model for it. This is problem Xigncode it self because EAC has never done this to any CPU out there. 

Your argument is "BDO should swap back to EAC because only one brand's flawed hardware is failing". By your same logic, why should PA have to change AC just to fix a problem only X3D consumers are having? Don't get me wrong, I don't think BDO should be burning up CPUs, I just think people are placing the blame on something that isn't to blame. Again, if X3D processors are the ONLY subset that are failing, then it's a hardware issue. Something inside of that processor line is overprocessing what every other brand/line of processor is not. Xigncode is just showing the flaw exists, it's not the cause.

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 14:36 (UTC)
# 107

This issue didn't start until Thursday and we had xigncode before Thursday. It's something from the blue garmoth patch sadly

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 14:38 (UTC)
# 108
On: Jan 20, 2024, 14:30 (UTC), Written by Soharu

Also not true depending on manufactuer. I can still set my soc voltage as high as 1.7v if I want. They patched the EXPO profiles for Gigabyte and Asrock. 

ASUS is the only brand who got the voltage limit 

Actually no, because the recommended voltages were patched on other MOBO producers before they were released, which is why you only hear about ASUS boards. But if I remember correctly Gigabyte was also having this issue on pre-patched boards they released. Several 3rd party hardware failure researchers confirmed this and that it was a software patch for a hardware failure. The chips themselves should be able to handle the 1.35v max setting they had it originally set to, but can't.

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 14:39 (UTC)
# 109
On: Jan 20, 2024, 14:34 (UTC), Written by Toriia

Your argument is "BDO should swap back to EAC because only one brand's flawed hardware is failing". By your same logic, why should PA have to change AC just to fix a problem only X3D consumers are having? Don't get me wrong, I don't think BDO should be burning up CPUs, I just think people are placing the blame on something that isn't to blame. Again, if X3D processors are the ONLY subset that are failing, then it's a hardware issue. Something inside of that processor line is overprocessing what every other brand/line of processor is not. Xigncode is just showing the flaw exists, it's not the cause.

Telling people to go out and buy a new CPU where they never had issues before isn't even better answer too.  If it was X3D flaw issue, why hasn't it occur on other games from other anti cheats like EAC or Riot Vanguard?   

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 14:44 (UTC)
# 110

Can we stop argueing its solving nothing, yes there is an issue after the update, no other game is affected only bdo temps use to sit at below 70. 60-67 now they spiking up to 90 on some peoples stuff, please just stop arguing so they can find a fix and this doesn't get just taken out by random rants take it to discord, we are having issues right now this isn't a i'm smarter than you and know all situation because you don't.

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