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Xigncode3 and AMD cpu Temps
Jan 19, 2024, 00:19 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Feb 4, 2024, 03:01 (UTC)
# 203
On: Feb 1, 2024, 02:18 (UTC), Written by EgoAdAstra

What do you got against people who want to progress with lifeskilling in BDO while PvPing in other games? If that wasn't the intended purpose of the mechanic to push the game to tray, then I don't know what is.

Listen here, the bottomline is, this is a you problem! There is no need for the developers to change the game, because a minority of people. Who can not even be bother to use a modern search engine, to remedy an easy to solve problem.

Ahhh yes, firstly there is no issue with you wanting to run multiple games at once, in fact to quote your own words "Who can not even be bother to use a modern search engine, to remedy an easy to solve problem." If you googled, you would know you could do that with EAC also. That is how I play both For Honor and Lost Ark while playing BDO in minimized. So follow your own advice there.

Ultimately the issue here is that they have changed to Xigncode, which is causing major thermal cycling on CPU's for no reason other than Xigncode scanning all files and folders on a Kernel level, which is already highly suspect to begin with, but also the fact that if you happen to have a high end CPU and RAM, this can cause potential risks to hardware. 

The biggest fault of PA here is not acknowledging this at all. It is ridiculous to try and sweep such a big issue under the rug. The reason they do this is because they CANNOT fix this problem. Xigncode would either need to change how the Anti Cheat works, which is not going to happen, or PA would need to change to a different Anti Cheat software. This is not something PA can "fix" on their end regarding Xigncode and how it works. 

I enjoy BDO and while there is a "fix" we can do, the "fix" is basically underclocking our machines, so that they do not heat up. But that is a band-aid at best and as someone who works from home permanently on this device, it does not make sense for me to throttle my device for BDO, making its performance worse in every aspect for anything else running on the PC. I imagine this goes for the majority of people. Nobody bought a high end PC to stunt it because of a shitty Anti Cheat system that was added without testing.

As a side note, other games like Blade and Soul and even BDO itself back in the day all had Xigncode issues with performance and FPS. This has been complained about for years and Xigncode is known to be terrible. The fact PA decided to revert back to Xigncode is astounding. Perhaps they cannot afford EAC anymore but Xigncode is not the answer.

I hold out hope that PA will acknowledge the issue and at least make a statement letting us know if they will be attempting to rectify the issue or if its a "bad luck we can't do anything" situation. Radio silence is a horrible way to treat the community that pays your bills.

Last Edit : Feb 4, 2024, 13:10 (UTC)
# 204

This is just a summary of users so far with the issue and I think someone here needs to take the lead instead of waiting.

#1 Trepx
CPU
GPU
CLR:

#2 Kinjara
CPU: 7950X3D
GFX: 4090
CLR: Arctic Freezer II 360 AIO

#3 SorryxD
CPU: 7800X4D
GPU 4070TI
Cooler:

#4 JM
CPU: 7800X3D
GPU: 3070
CLR:

#5 cantsleep
CPU: 5800X3D
GPU:
CLR:

#6 Settus
CPU: 7800X3D
GPU:
CLR:

#7 Keishou
CPU: 7800X3D
GPU:
CLR:

#8 Niwen
CPU: 7900X3D
GPU:
CLR:

#9 EgoAdAstra
CPU:
GPU:
CLR:

#10 Sniperumm
CPU: 7950X3D
GPU:
CLR:

#11 rjia
CPU:
GPU:
CLR:

#12 fixed?*BeanxD
CPU: 7800X3d
GPU:
CLR:

#13 Andonara
CPU: 7950X3D
CPU: 3080
CLR:

#14 scyo
CPU: 7800X3D
GPU:
CLR:

#15 Sodex
CPU: 7800X3D
GPU: 4090
CLR:

#16 Gizmous
CPU:
GPU:
CLR:

#17 Morten
CPU: 7800X3D
GPU: 6950XT
CLR:

#18 Goldsteinburg
CPU: 5800X
GPU:
CLR:

#19 Soharu
CPU: 7800X3D
GPU:
CLR:

#20 LightsOut
CPU: 7950X3D
GPU:
CLR:

#21 Tuovin
CPU: 7800X3D
GPU: 4080
CLR:

#22 Froz
CPU: 7900X3D
GPU:
CLR:

#23 SunnyDragon
CPU: 7800X3D
GPU: 7900XTX
CLR: Corsair H100I Elite LCD XT AIO

#24 Tanino
CPU: Ryzen 5 3600
GPU:
CLR:

#25 Dror
CPU: 7800X3D
GPU:
CLR:

#26 HeroicWaffle
CPU: 7800X3D
GPU:
CLR: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE

#27 FiskenHero
CPU: 7800X3D
GPU:
CLR: EK-Nucleus 360 AIO

#28 Musassin
CPU: 7800X3D
GPU: RX 7900 XTX
CLR:

#29 Nekky
CPU: 5800X3D
GPU:
CLR:

#30 LecKo
CPU: 7800X3D
GPU:
CLR:

#31 Joshiah
CPU: 7950X3D
GPU: 4090
CLR:

#32 ToMmYye
CPU: 9900K
GPU:
CLR:

#33 QQHans
CPU: 7950X3D
GPU:
CLR:

#34 SpecteroftheGun
CPU: i7 1070H
GPU:
CLR:

#35 Mugetsu360
CPU: 7900X3D
GPU: 4070TI
CLR: ?360 AIO

The problem

Above users had no issues with the game until Xigncode was introduced, since this update CPU temperatures appear to be going above usual numbers observed and reaching 90 degrees C.

Is this normal or acceptable

Nope, these CPU's should not be hitting the thermal threshold especially in this game, FPS + Resolution will have an impact on this aspect as CPU load increases with FPS / Res. Also there are a few posts suggesting other CPU's are impacted, older ones which do not behave like the AMD CPUs that try to automatically push the limits of the processor.

What changed

Anti-cheat software

Who is impacted

Appears to be mainly AMD X3D users however a couple of reports from other CPUs and Intel

Support request

Try to run minimal OS environment.

So here we are, clearly an issue exists and so far no solution but support have asked the above. Is it a valid suggestion and has anyone actually done this? It could be, software conflict might be an issue and if they do not have a system to replicate the problem it will fall down to the users to try and help out / test ideas.

In a situation like this someone needs to take the lead and show it's not the user at fault or system.

My own advice to myself if I were to experience such an issue would be the following, isolate the problem.

I would run use a clean drive and run a clean install of Windows 11 23H2, ISO from MS.

Default Motherboard BIOS options

Install GFX drivers and that is pretty much it along with BDO.

Simple Windows install with default options, no mouse or keyboard software / macros / RGB lighting, no 3rd party AV.

Then post my results to support and say here you go, now what?

Last Edit : Feb 4, 2024, 21:45 (UTC)
# 205

I gave up on this run in circles game long time ago, but I've downloaded to see whether my i5 10600kf has the same problems, and sure enough spikes up to 88C for absolutley no reason every 5-8sec 83C on average.  Can't wait for dev note "great adventure we appreciate your feedback but we arent playing to do anything about it (in a nicer way), but for now  sweeping it under the rug is the correct path you've taken, I respect that a lot.  small indie company worth barley 0.33 bil according to google, doing their best to survive out here, hope u guys can appreciate it too

Last Edit : Feb 4, 2024, 22:50 (UTC)
# 206
On: Feb 3, 2024, 23:05 (UTC), Written by rjia

For those arriving just now: BDO is still damaging CPUs with extreme thermal cycling. Play at your own risk.

There has been no response from PA, no fix, and admins have been censoring forums/posts.

Sorry, but this is really just not true. Yes, maybe BDO does stuff that heats up the CPU, yes, xigncode3 is probably crap (actually some antivirus scanners even flag up on it, which is not a good thing and PA should indeed handle this). BUT, and that is a very big but: If your system is running within specs (as in you are not using that old broken Bios that indeed killed the CPUs by putting too much voltage into it) even running at constant 89°C does not damage your CPU as it is doing what the CPU is designed to do. These modern CPUs are designed to boost as high as their limits (temperature, TDC, EDC, PPT) are not reached. And in case the CPU indeed becomes too hot the system simply shuts down (just had this on a threadripper with a broken fan controller on the board). The issue is that gamers are very often not used to their CPU getting fully utilized and heat up as most games just don´t use that many threads. These temperatures are completely normal for production workloads like rendering and those system run 24/7 with their temperatures hitting close to 90°C for hours (same for GPUs by the way, if you have 8 RTX 6000 GPUs in a system they will quickly reach their temperature limit of 83°C and clock down but they can easily do that for days without issues).

So, please all stop telling lies about temperatures that are well within the spec of the CPU damaging the CPU. If your CPU really gets damage it is more likely that you had been running it outside of the spec and pushed too much voltage into it. And especially all 7000er X3D users should immediately update their mainboard bios to the latest version as it is a known fact that many of the initial release boards pushed way to high voltages into the CPU and killed them. So not updating the bios is like playing russian roulette with your CPU.

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Last Edit : Feb 5, 2024, 19:38 (UTC)
# 208
On: Feb 4, 2024, 22:50 (UTC), Written by Serendipity

Sorry, but this is really just not true. Yes, maybe BDO does stuff that heats up the CPU, yes, xigncode3 is probably crap (actually some antivirus scanners even flag up on it, which is not a good thing and PA should indeed handle this). BUT, and that is a very big but: If your system is running within specs (as in you are not using that old broken Bios that indeed killed the CPUs by putting too much voltage into it) even running at constant 89°C does not damage your CPU as it is doing what the CPU is designed to do. These modern CPUs are designed to boost as high as their limits (temperature, TDC, EDC, PPT) are not reached. And in case the CPU indeed becomes too hot the system simply shuts down (just had this on a threadripper with a broken fan controller on the board). The issue is that gamers are very often not used to their CPU getting fully utilized and heat up as most games just don´t use that many threads. These temperatures are completely normal for production workloads like rendering and those system run 24/7 with their temperatures hitting close to 90°C for hours (same for GPUs by the way, if you have 8 RTX 6000 GPUs in a system they will quickly reach their temperature limit of 83°C and clock down but they can easily do that for days without issues).

So, please all stop telling lies about temperatures that are well within the spec of the CPU damaging the CPU. If your CPU really gets damage it is more likely that you had been running it outside of the spec and pushed too much voltage into it. And especially all 7000er X3D users should immediately update their mainboard bios to the latest version as it is a known fact that many of the initial release boards pushed way to high voltages into the CPU and killed them. So not updating the bios is like playing russian roulette with your CPU.

I understand the above and would agree that the CPU has built in protection for a reason but there are a lot of people here with an issue.

Prior to patch / anti-cheat the system temp under BDO load was a lot lower.

Game in tray also pushing higher temps.

Some people would  have newer boards with recent BIOS updates, some have already talked about the issues that required AMD to patch so are aware and on newer BIOS already.

So  it seems a little odd?

Last Edit : Feb 7, 2024, 22:15 (UTC)
# 209

Another patch, another rugsweep.

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