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The over-simplification of BDO through the removal of items
Jan 19, 2024, 13:45 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 02:11 (UTC)
# 21
On: Jan 19, 2024, 13:45 (UTC), Written by Helegnes

BDO is (in theory) an MMORPG. MMORPGs are characterized by their rich assortment of build paths and player driven choices. Especially BDO, which argued to be a sandbox mmorpg, needs to maintain an amount of build diversity.

The recent pushes towards the simplification of some items is understandable, but now PA has gone too far.

https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/News/Detail?groupContentNo=6483&countryType=en-US

The removal of these crystals will seriously diminish the possibilities for specialized crystal builds. To take some examples most players may or may not be familiar with:


>Red player builds; the use of cheap-efficient crystal sets which allow for the reduction of pvp penalties (not downgrading your pen blackstar to a mob death).

>Siege evasion builds; essentially required for (capped) siege content to avoid the absurd damage of defensive annexes

>Jump height builds; both useful during certain niche exploration activities and more recently with the introduction of scholar and her height-based damage skills

These are but a few examples of the many different pathways crystals opened up to players. PA is attempting to remove these in the name of simplification. This is OVERSIMPLIFICATION, and it must not go ahead.

To put aside the differences of recently divisive topics (ow-pvp, marni realms, guild wars), the fact is that the removal of content from BDO; the removal of meaning behind players' actions and choices, is detrimental to the game. Having the option of equipping some jump crystals to take screenshots ontop of calpheon SHOULD be possible. It is not 'confusing' for new players; no new player will realistically look at jump crystals and for more than a year run around with them equipped while grinding. And even if they do; why not? Its their choice! Let players make their own characters and stories.

PA, do not go ahead with the removal of these crystals. Reconsider your policy on simplification, to ensure the game retains the neccessary complexity to be engaging for your playerbase.

Very much Disagree. We have too many crystals and items now. They need to keep working on stuff like this cause items become outdated and a waste of storage. Look at all the old rings and earrings. The items are just cloging the game with useless items and makes it confusing for new players. Pearl Abyss should IMO never look at old players for info on this. Most Old players are stuck in their ways and hate change. Also Old players will not spend on the game as much as a new player.

Once you have all your Weight, Maids and slots your spending will drop to like 15 to 30 a month max if you play daily. I have played BDO since launch and have not spend any money in the game for over 2 years. Before that I was swiping Weekly it felt. Again Always look to getting new players into the world and making it a smoother more polished experince for them is best. 

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 03:02 (UTC)
# 22

Another classic case of ppl saying "it doesn't affect me so idc"

If PA can go back on their word on this, they'll likely do it on stuff you care about eventually.

Yes red karma players are punished severely for the play style already - locked off from expensive lightstones and crystals, marni realm, risking degrades etc.

Reducing the little crystal choice we have further doesn't help anything.

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 04:04 (UTC)
# 23

Removing all the cheaper crystals not only harms build diversity but also destroys progression experience, it would be akin to removing all other types of armour and keeping only boss gear or BIS pieces like fallen god.

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 08:45 (UTC)
# 24

I am ok with simplifying items and especially removing items that nobody uses, like the random accessories items you drop in valencia and mediah (Asula etc).
But pls don't remove items that actually have cause like some of the cheap crystals. I run 3 of the blue agility crystals in my pvp set cause you can put as many as you want in there and nothing else compares to them. I bet some of the other crystals PA plans to remove also have uses in main builds. They need to check their logs and see what items are in active use and either keep them or upgrade them. It just shows again that the devs don't play their own game, or at least with nothing but FotM Class and build at this point. 

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 09:48 (UTC)
# 25
On: Jan 19, 2024, 21:40 (UTC), Written by Krastonosezs

Makes sense, why you're complaining about "no profit".

No crystals -> no efficiency -> less performance -> lower than average income.

Muuaauauahahaa. Difference with or without crystals is about ... 10%. The more difficult mobs with inappropriately high amounts of HP and resistances, the lower the benefit from crystals and therefore the greater risk of losing them. What difference does it make if I kill a mob with 4 or 5 hits? None. It's still more profitable to play at 220-240 middle end than at 280-300 end game because in BDO there is practically no drop, so only trash counts, and even if there is a drop, sick 35% tax takes away the entire profit. What difference will it make if I have 500m or 1b a day? Nothing, this pointless grind will continue for years anyway.

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 10:35 (UTC)
# 26
On: Jan 20, 2024, 09:43 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

Muuaauauahahaa. Difference with or without crystals is about ... 10%. The more difficult mobs with inappropriately high amounts of HP and resistances, the lower the benefit from crystals and therefore the greater risk of losing them. What difference does it make if I kill a mob with 4 or 5 hits? None. It's still more profitable to play at 220-240 middle end than at 280-300 end game because in BDO there is practically no drop, so only trash counts, and even if there is a drop, sick 35% tax takes away the entire profit. What difference will it make if I have 500m or 1b a day? Nothing, this pointless grind will continue for years anyway.

I would've added something, but this would result in derailing the topic pointlessly.

Pointless to argue with a troll that doesn't understand or just refuses to see reason, caring only for his own ego.

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 13:49 (UTC)
# 27

I thought they were just gonna remove the useless ones which made sense like speed attack crystals and that would make sense, but all these usable build crystals like why. Its like they only want us to do 1 build and play meta classes or bust

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Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 14:03 (UTC)
# 28

Some of these crystals were crucial to the gameplay experience, to the point where I may just stop playing until they get adequate replacements.

Instead of simplifying the crystals, they should have just diversified the crystal loot drops.

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 15:32 (UTC)
# 29
On: Jan 20, 2024, 04:04 (UTC), Written by SmolHusky

Removing all the cheaper crystals not only harms build diversity but also destroys progression experience, it would be akin to removing all other types of armour and keeping only boss gear or BIS pieces like fallen god.

They removed the 30k and 50k crystals.  The 1m to 5m crystals still exist and are everywhere.  Every boss drops 5 of them, you get sealed BMCs by the thousands that just sit on the Central Market.  30k and 50k crystals were expensive when you were making 100k to 1m per hour way way back in 2016.  Now that you sneeze at a grind spot and make 10m silver the 1m to 5m crystals are cheaper than the green/blue crystals were back in 2016.

BTW "Build diversity" is BS, it was called stacking crystals that shouldn't have been able to be stacked.  Why was someone allowed to run 14 evasion crystals for 2m silver and be harder to kill than someone with a 30b crystal setup just by changing the crystals?  That doesn't and didn't make any sense.

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 15:33 (UTC)
# 30
On: Jan 20, 2024, 08:45 (UTC), Written by Winterklinge

I am ok with simplifying items and especially removing items that nobody uses, like the random accessories items you drop in valencia and mediah (Asula etc).
But pls don't remove items that actually have cause like some of the cheap crystals. I run 3 of the blue agility crystals in my pvp set cause you can put as many as you want in there and nothing else compares to them. I bet some of the other crystals PA plans to remove also have uses in main builds. They need to check their logs and see what items are in active use and either keep them or upgrade them. It just shows again that the devs don't play their own game, or at least with nothing but FotM Class and build at this point. 

Do not touch my Asula, I worked hard for my full pen Asula Set.

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