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Jan 19, 2024, 15:47 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Feb 26, 2024, 15:49 (UTC)
# 21
On: Feb 26, 2024, 15:39 (UTC), Written by Minarya

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And before you ask, I cleared every C7 boss already on my 740 GS awa DK, so no need to use another account for it ^^ Thank you for the offer though.

We're not talking C8+ here. Theoretically, you should be able to clear all C7s on all classes in Tuvala. Not just Sangoon and Bacon King. So the gearscore isn't the winning bit. And to add another argument to that (or try to), first tamer C7 clear of some boss (can't remember which) happened nearly 1 year after every other class. I'm not saying BBs haven't been thoroughly tested on C7 for all classes, but I'm saying BBs haven't been thoroughly tested on C7 for all classes, if their intention was for gear to barely matter.

Almost human, still not human. 

Last Edit : Feb 26, 2024, 15:51 (UTC)
# 22
On: Feb 26, 2024, 15:39 (UTC), Written by Unikornu

Problem is there is literally no incentive to even try for better time right now as it seems to have zero impact on your reward anyway. Someone mentioned the rankings should be counted for a whole month, not every week to receive a bonus bundle - be it better one or regular one and I think this is good idea. 

As for iframes, some bosses cannot be excused for not having some attacks blockable as some classes have better/worse iframes. Guardian iframe is very hard to perform on Sangoon deadly attack in comparison to Musa or Shai who can just spam it without care because there is no gap. One iframe isn't comparable to other. If i miss a shield buff from rock on Sangoon i can just zoom past his whole 2 Aoe attacks, others might not do that. And if bosses have no cooldowns and as example, Pig King starts spamming long chained attacks and spins, u simply run out of stamina. Same goes for Gumiho leaps and her aoe flame spam...its quite big and insta kill so you are forced to constantly iframe. There has to be common ground to mix and match all of ur defenses. FG should be shredded hard on C7 but not completely unusable. Fight are very disbalanced, so are some classes iframes there so I am on DaiPinch side here. 

And saying: just use different class to make it easier isn't a solution. Its a badly painted rainbow bandage. All classes should have same chances of getting through fight but i guess, again, they didn't test it on all classes. 

Hmmm i still don't think im human. Definetly a chair. 

1. Agreed, the rankings barely have any impact on the reward. Which I dont even disagree with given the rng nature of the boss movements, so the timing thing is mostly just for pride and showing off to others. Still, its annoying.

2. All classes have the Evasion skill as a failsafe for PvE Iframes, even if the skill is pretty bad in most other contexts (not counting classes where that skill is special like tamer, witchard etc). Classes like Striker had to unlock that skill from the beginning to get that gapless iframe experience other classes get for free, which yes, is very stupid and imbalanced, but still a possibility. 

(For the gumiho flame spam, do you mean the third phase? You can use the gourds to make it rain and stop the fire. Most classes can even clear C7 damage requirements within the 2 uses of the gourd there if the boss doesnt perma iframe - which she does sometimes, and which needs fixing - so I dont understand that complaint)

3. And yea, classes are not balanced in how easily and how fast they can clear the bosses. That is definitely a concern. While I dont think all classes need to be able to clear the bosses in record time (theres a reason there is no cross-class ranking), all classes should actually have a fair shot at being able to beat the bosses, without being locked out due to CC/protection requirements.

Last Edit : Feb 26, 2024, 15:53 (UTC)
# 23
On: Feb 26, 2024, 15:43 (UTC), Written by Minarya

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2. Can you tell me where / with which boss you experience that? CCing the boss is like, the only thing I have found to be actually quite reliable so far. Havent had any issues with the boss taking the CC, unless i fully aimed into the wrong direction / used the skill on CD.

CC'ing Sangoon with woosa's Rain thingie (Shift+RMB) fails at time . With guardian's Fierce Disdain. Frontal attacks, back attacks, doesn't matter.

I have a very low rate of successfully clearing Apex's CC mechanic on guardian, while it doesn't feel that hard on shai (maybe because the shai's RMB skill has 1904940 CC attacks?).

Only boss I consistently CC (and no, with the ones above my Fierce Disdain isn't on cooldown) is Songakshi. She stops crying every time, no matter what class I try to console her with.

NOT. A. HUMAN! I'M A BRIDGE!

Last Edit : Feb 26, 2024, 15:56 (UTC)
# 24
On: Feb 26, 2024, 15:49 (UTC), Written by Harth

We're not talking C8+ here. Theoretically, you should be able to clear all C7s on all classes in Tuvala. Not just Sangoon and Bacon King. So the gearscore isn't the winning bit. And to add another argument to that (or try to), first tamer C7 clear of some boss (can't remember which) happened nearly 1 year after every other class. I'm not saying BBs haven't been thoroughly tested on C7 for all classes, but I'm saying BBs haven't been thoroughly tested on C7 for all classes, if their intention was for gear to barely matter.

Almost human, still not human. 

Should you? Dont think PA ever stated that. Because gear is currently a really big factor in clearing the bosses, though its mostly about special attack and HP (and total AP of course). 

Gear mattering for 10% is still pretty big if you compare 1000 total AP with 600 (aka 100 with 60), if you remember that the stats you get from the orbs are like 300ish. 

Again, not saying it's good or bad, just saying that is to be expected from how it is stated to work. Personally I wont mind PA actually capping stats for the boss blitz we have, since that would finally let us compete on an even field without everyone cheesing the bosses with elixir rotation / HP setups, but thats just my opinion. 

And yes, agreed, as said before, class balance in Boss Blitz is pretty atrocious

Last Edit : Feb 26, 2024, 15:59 (UTC)
# 25
On: Feb 26, 2024, 15:51 (UTC), Written by Minarya

(For the gumiho flame spam, do you mean the third phase? You can use the gourds to make it rain and stop the fire. Most classes can even clear C7 damage requirements within the 2 uses of the gourd there if the boss doesnt perma iframe - which she does sometimes, and which needs fixing - so I dont understand that complaint)

Im talking about one of her base attacks from the start when she leaps either backwards or forward and starts fuming blue flames around her. Its very visibable when fighting one of the clones on a side. She tends to do it 70% of the time for me. If u are melee class then u will obviously have to spend more stamina and more time just to damage her as she does it way too often. I counted around 5 attacks like this in a row on a clone phase.

When it comes to 3rd phase the only problem is that bottle can only clean the new appearing flames as they spawn closer to middle. I have Gumiho jump to the very edge of the cave and just stand there. She will then use the bobble self heal and i have no way of stopping here....Other problem was that as I noticed flames appearing in a middle part and wanted to use a bottle i got KD-ed 3 times in a row without being able to even stand up and hop away. Not-Fun.

Last Edit : Feb 26, 2024, 16:02 (UTC)
# 26
On: Feb 26, 2024, 15:53 (UTC), Written by Harth

CC'ing Sangoon with woosa's Rain thingie (Shift+RMB) fails at time . With guardian's Fierce Disdain. Frontal attacks, back attacks, doesn't matter.

Interesting. Might want to make a vid of it and see if its a timing thing, or an actual bug. I recommend trying another skill (I personally like skills that have a very precise timing on the CC itself, instead of being delayed on a second hit or before the attack itself).


I have a very low rate of successfully clearing Apex's CC mechanic on guardian, while it doesn't feel that hard on shai (maybe because the shai's RMB skill has 1904940 CC attacks?).

Apex's 5 CCs with 4+ hits is a weird one because the timing needs to be correct, and guardian tends to be a bit too slow. I would rather think that to be the issue, since Shai has, as you stated, way more hits and PvE CCs on the attacks in quick succession.


Only boss I consistently CC (and no, with the ones above my Fierce Disdain isn't on cooldown) is Songakshi. She stops crying every time, no matter what class I try to console her with.  Have you tried chocolate?

NOT. A. HUMAN! I'M A BRIDGE!

Last Edit : Feb 26, 2024, 16:10 (UTC)
# 27
On: Feb 26, 2024, 15:56 (UTC), Written by Minarya

Should you? Dont think PA ever stated that. Because gear is currently a really big factor in clearing the bosses, though its mostly about special attack and HP (and total AP of course). 

Gear mattering for 10% is still pretty big if you compare 1000 total AP with 600 (aka 100 with 60), if you remember that the stats you get from the orbs are like 300ish. 

Again, not saying it's good or bad, just saying that is to be expected from how it is stated to work. Personally I wont mind PA actually capping stats for the boss blitz we have, since that would finally let us compete on an even field without everyone cheesing the bosses with elixir rotation / HP setups, but thats just my opinion. 

There was even an event, hosted by Endlaive with the best streamers trying to clear C6 in Turubula. And it was either down to rng or just the time-attack mechanics that were preventing them from doing that.

I vividly remember Divios dying to Apex'es random slide and teleport attacks that would land the damage as the OP was saying in a completely different spot than indicated on the screen (and mind you, he was dishing out healthy amount of damage inbetween random deaths). So it's not the gear itself that helps with the C7 clearing per-se (except for time-attacks, like with Oduksini, Sangoon and Apex - although, Sangoon seems to be special, if you're playing shai :P). It only helps you deal with the inconsistencies and poor bosses design (skill spam - which is fair, since they don't have cd or penalty for spamming on cooldown, desyncs, rng or poorly outlined (Oduksini) telegraphs, bugs and other derps).

I swear to Elion (or at) that this is the last time I visit the forums until someone fixes the captcha spam. What is this popup? another Blitz Boss? Why can't anything have a cooldown when it's designed to charge at us?! ._.

Last Edit : Feb 26, 2024, 16:08 (UTC)
# 28
On: Feb 26, 2024, 15:57 (UTC), Written by Unikornu

Im talking about one of her base attacks from the start when she leaps either backwards or forward and starts fuming blue flames around her. Its very visibable when fighting one of the clones on a side. She tends to do it 70% of the time for me. If u are melee class then u will obviously have to spend more stamina and more time just to damage her as she does it way too often. I counted around 5 attacks like this in a row on a clone phase.

When it comes to 3rd phase the only problem is that bottle can only clean the new appearing flames as they spawn closer to middle. I have Gumiho jump to the very edge of the cave and just stand there. She will then use the bobble self heal and i have no way of stopping here....Other problem was that as I noticed flames appearing in a middle part and wanted to use a bottle i got KD-ed 3 times in a row without being able to even stand up and hop away. Not-Fun.

1. Ah that one. I always just stand behind her, and play the RNG game. I can tank 3 hits before my FG is broken, and only start Iframing after that. That way, I can still do damage (while being in melee), and can swap between recoving my FG meter (while iframing) and my stamina (while FGing). Sometimes she just decides to screw with you though yea. And then you get hit with 3 flames at once and insta die. :(

2. She never does the guard thingy with me because I'm always on her tails. IIrc she only does it if you are too far from her for too long, so you can avoid her doing that mechanic by constantly following her around. Of course, classes with fast burst movement are favoured here.

Last Edit : Feb 26, 2024, 16:14 (UTC)
# 29
On: Feb 26, 2024, 16:06 (UTC), Written by Harth

There was even an event, hosted by Endlaive with the best streamers trying to clear C6 in Turubula. And it was either down to rng or just the time-attack mechanics that were preventing them from doing that.

I vividly remember Divios dying to Apex'es random slide and teleport attacks that would land the damage as the OP was saying in a completely different spot than indicated on the screen. So it's not the gear itself that helps with the C7 clearing per-se (except for time-attacks, like with Oduksini, Sangoon and Apex - although, Sangoon seems to be special, if you're playing shai :P). It only helps you deal with the inconsistencies and poor bosses design (skill spam - which is fair, since they don't have cd or penalty for spamming on cooldown, desyncs, rng or poorly outlined (Oduksini) telegraphs, bugs and other derps).

I swear to Elion (or at) that this is the last time I visit the forums until someone fixes the captcha spam. What is this popup? another Blitz Boss? Why can't anything have a cooldown when it's designed to charge at us?! ._.

1. Desync mechanics are shitty, we all know that. I stopped doing Changui on my weekly C7s because i got too annoyed at the teleporting random attacks, so I feel ya on that. But, using Divios as an example, there actually was a stream at the very beginning of when BB was released, where he managed to clear C7 changui in 2 attempts, while explaining the use of the Evasion skill for that exact purpose. So yea, if that freaking boss wouldnt be desyncing as much, he would be a lot easier to clear.

2. I think you underestimate the impact that gear has on clearing the boss. You really notice how for example elixir rota affects boss clears for bosses you can do a lot of back attacks on, and having a FG that can take 3 hits instead of 2 because you have 3k HP more is also a huge improvement. 

(Am I the only one who likes the captcha because I have to report way less bots compared to a year ago? It's a pretty big difference...)

Last Edit : Feb 26, 2024, 16:27 (UTC)
# 30
On: Feb 26, 2024, 16:14 (UTC), Written by Minarya

(Am I the only one who likes the captcha because I have to report way less bots compared to a year ago? It's a pretty big difference...)

Probably. Because we aren't the ones clearing bots BUT captcha really needs cooldown itself too. I have to copy paste what i write almost on each post and if i want to post more than 5 screenshots I gotta pray or do it in parts because of it. And while we understand it makes your job much easier, we are not very encoureged to post as much anymore because of it....I even stopped checking the F2 Board inside of game because of it and i only use phone to check forum because there i don't have to pick bridges or crosswalks - simply confirm and dats it.

Back to boss blitz, last thing i will remind in this topic and i will strongly keep to it. All buffs aside from crystals + gear should be rendered useless. Decrease HP pool of bosses instead OR stop removing buffs on death. This on top of rng rewards and rng behaviors doesn't encourage any re-run for better time.

Done for today cus sadly I am not human.

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