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Make House Objects Collision Much Smaller and smoothen the whole process - Suggestions
Jan 20, 2024, 08:27 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Mar 29, 2024, 08:39 (UTC)
# 1

Family Name: Unikornu

Region (NA/EU): EU

Suggestions/Comments: 

Before someone says "Just buy big manor" this is intended to actually improve quality of life for those who prefer smaller houses or LotmL shack instead of big manor and is suppose to just make decorating smoother, instead of a tactical plan on how to remove strain of grass or a cup.

So another event came with another big piece of furniture that is a hell to put for those of us who already filled their space. While I don't mind moving objects around I cannot stop baffling for a long time how bad the decorating any house is. So here is what i ask for:

1) Decrease collsion on all objects significantly 

2) Detect the collision of objects like Royal Throne from its base, not from the roof. While trees for some reason have no problem going through the roof, every floor objects cannot fit next to it where i can clearly see there is space because of the roof -_- Like on a picture below, there is nothing obstructing the statue but it won't allow it because of the roof.....

3) When u want to pick up anything from garden, u have to remove trees first as game will forcefully let you only pick up trees. Changing the angle or getting closer to object u want to pick under is immpossible without removing the tree by selection via cursor. Example below, removing a bench from under tree is immpossible without having tree selected at all angles.

4) While we can remove objects from the right menu, having duplicates makes is hard to know which one it is. Highlight the object u hover over to know which one it is.

5) Grass and similar items should not collide with anything at all.

6) When placing objects like shown dragon statue or other outside big sculptures let us pick between 3 different sizes so people who already have little space and do not wish to purchase big manor can still find a way to fit them in their shack. 

Those little things would significantly improve the experience of decorating the house for everyone i believe. If u have any more suggestions please write so.

Gathered from others:

7) Allow usage of props on outside tables and other objects like tea cups and food.

8) Allows greater zoom and angle control inside of residence for better and more precise placing of smaller objects

9) Let people have ways to obtain old event furnitures like those in Naelie topic (the pink kamasylvia tree for interior) -> https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/Forum/ForumTopic/Detail?_topicNo=46481&_opinionNo=0

10) Let us place objetcs inside of gazebos without glitch usage. What's the point of empty gazebos???

Edit: New discovery:

11) Fairy lights have no outline to let us know if object can be placed in a current location. It doesn't help at all.....Those 100% shouldn't have absolutely any collision at all, so we can place them along with plants, inside gazebos etc. Its a floating light after all, why collision and why with the invisible manner?! On picture below i have taken out fairy lights but instead of seeing ITS collision I get selected random bush behind......why? The housing system is absolutely horrible. Don't make me even started on a bristlegrass....

Let Us Be Creative - by your choice - not a glitch

Last Edit : Jan 20, 2024, 08:34 (UTC)
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Aside from 6, I'm in full support of these suggestions. Then again, if grass, flowers, trees and veggies wouldn't have crazy requirements for positioning, there wouldn't be much need of downsizing other furnitures. Grass does grow on statues irl, on trees, on whatever objects it can climb. Also, BDO never cared that much about collision anyway (I mean, just look at outfits or, even better, at the hell that Vell fights are).

Last Edit : Jan 23, 2024, 06:58 (UTC)
# 3

Complain received from guildmate: Add posibility to be able to use some of inside props, like tea cups etc. outside. Whats the point of tables and chairs if u cannot put anything nice on that table. Keep the basic interior furniture inside, but expand usage of props for the outside as well. 

Last Edit : Jan 27, 2024, 01:23 (UTC)
# 4

I think they should just remove collision altogether for furniture and remove the indoor/outdoor restrictions for furniture. ESO's housing system doesn't have any collision when placing furniture and they are considered to have one of the very best MMO housing systems. Removing collision when placing furniture and removing the indoor/outdoor placement restrictions would encourage creative builds in addition to immediately making every furniture item that is already in the game more versatile.  BDO's housing system could use an update anyway.

In fact, Korean and Japanese BDO players already use a very secret exploit to decorate manors and residences without collision restrictions and they have created some truly stunning builds - benches clipped into the walls as wall shelving, dresser drawers mounted on the walls as kitchen cabinetry, hutches for desks made by combining 3 different furniture pieces, floor to ceiling manor bookshelves made by stacking bookshelves on top of each other, etc. I assume that they refuse to share to secret of making it work so that the exploit won't be fixed. But since it is already possible with the game engine right now, PA should just make the bug into a feature. It would be such a boost to the housing system.

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Last Edit : Jan 30, 2024, 07:24 (UTC)
# 5
On: Jan 26, 2024, 19:21 (UTC), Written by Verendis

I think they should just remove collision altogether for furniture and remove the indoor/outdoor restrictions for furniture. ESO's housing system doesn't have any collision when placing furniture and they are considered to have one of the very best MMO housing systems. Removing collision when placing furniture and removing the indoor/outdoor placement restrictions would encourage creative builds in addition to immediately making every furniture item that is already in the game more versatile.  BDO's housing system could use an update anyway.

In fact, Korean and Japanese BDO players already use a very secret exploit to decorate manors and residences without collision restrictions and they have created some truly stunning builds - benches clipped into the walls as wall shelving, dresser drawers mounted on the walls as kitchen cabinetry, hutches for desks made by combining 3 different furniture pieces, floor to ceiling manor bookshelves made by stacking bookshelves on top of each other, etc. I assume that they refuse to share to secret of making it work so that the exploit won't be fixed. But since it is already possible with the game engine right now, PA should just make the bug into a feature. It would be such a boost to the housing system.

Thank You for information and support. This is actually interesting to see some people use exploits for something that shouldn't really require it, but allow full creativity. And thinking also of how there would be a house decorating contest and people using exploits getting advantage in it....since I feel at times the judges might be clueless about those possibilites. Full collision removal would make for really interesting ideas but I will welcome every improvement at this point. (I'm still angry about dragon statue :)) )

Last Edit : Mar 11, 2024, 21:18 (UTC)
# 6

I'd also like them to implement the manor's zoom in feature in normal residences.

It is such a pain to place small items or line up tables in the larger residences such as Grana 4.

Last Edit : Mar 12, 2024, 00:06 (UTC)
# 7

Fully agree. It's a big pain and killing time when you want to make some design but waste hours on replacing trees and a lot of another nearby items just to change something little in the house or a manor. And it's very demoralizing. 

My priority desire is to remove collisions (we have some furniture like Olvia one for manor which don't have collisions, so maybe it's possible to make another one quickly the same way).

And it really would be good if PA officially allow unusual exploitation of items in houses. All these methods are difficult, especially when to do something epic or with many little objects. But enthusiasts will be very thankful coz it's very creative way. 

Last Edit : Mar 12, 2024, 00:49 (UTC)
# 8

so nice to see so many housing content enjoyers! i agree with all that is written. too many hours I have put in my manor and I still remain unsatisfied. cant sit on chairs, cant clip things into each other, cant use all decor on the outside too, and the search function also dont work at all tbh. hopefully now that more ppl are into the housing content maybe PA will listen!

Last Edit : Mar 12, 2024, 13:54 (UTC)
# 9
On: Jan 20, 2024, 08:27 (UTC), Written by Unikornu

10) Let us place objetcs inside of gazebos without glitch usage. What's the point of empty gazebos???

It was an update in the topic. I definitely agree. 

Also I was thinking about removing collisions what give players legal way to combine items. It is difficult subject coz of Investment Bank. 

We have bonus points with full furniture sets from Pearl shop. So theoretically it can be used like a cheating for Investment Bank even if to not use glitches but if collisions will be removed. 

As a desicion maybe such creative house (with glitches and/or without collisions) can be added to excludes, I mean to provide a function when player want to combine items but for creativity, not for cheating with Investment bank. So this player can push the button to refuse from Investment Bank and 1-3 first places in ranking of houses and will not have possibility to use Investment Bank but will obtain lack of collisions for example. Or just a right to decorate a house as player wants and sleep well. :)) Coz what's the point to decorate and hide results?

Last Edit : Mar 12, 2024, 14:23 (UTC)
# 10
On: Mar 12, 2024, 13:54 (UTC), Written by Naelie

It was an update in the topic. I definitely agree. 

Also I was thinking about removing collisions what give players legal way to combine items. It is difficult subject coz of Investment Bank. 

We have bonus points with full furniture sets from Pearl shop. So theoretically it can be used like a cheating for Investment Bank even if to not use glitches but if collisions will be removed. 

As a desicion maybe such creative house (with glitches and/or without collisions) can be added to excludes, I mean to provide a function when player want to combine items but for creativity, not for cheating with Investment bank. So this player can push the button to refuse from Investment Bank and 1-3 first places in ranking of houses and will not have possibility to use Investment Bank but will obtain lack of collisions for example. Or just a right to decorate a house as player wants and sleep well. :)) Coz what's the point to decorate and hide results?

In this case it would be better in my opinion to remove bank completely from game. Usually most houses looks like a cluster*uck of a basement in which u enter and instantly get stuck in everything. People always find a way in BDO to max out on whatever topic, that is nothing new. LotML has no rankings, no banks and its the best imo. 

Instead of rankings I would rather create seperate list, on which players can "advertise their house" as whatever they created and let people enter without the need of party/friend list. Some players created Coffee shops, Bars, Taverns - these kind of things. Heck, throw ranking away and let people themselves registrate their residence for visiting for a fee and get some points for that instead.

Other thing mentioned is eventual house decorationg events with prizes and judges not being aware of glitches being used as I mentioned before. That is unfair advantage - a bit more serious than a bank. So now, PA should either improve system OR turn a glitch/bug into a feature.  

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