I been thinking on this very subject for some time..

Not beating around the bush here as the example that Columba is using. But as in all things in life we learn and grow from experiences, Everyone learns differently.

Your parents tell you not to put your hand on the stove because it's hot.... As most of us that were kids some of us didn't listen and got burned... But as we got older we started to learn how to use a stove, pots , pans and how to cook. We learned where to put our hands and were not to. Even after all that there are some that just couldn't learn that is just the way life is.

Black desert is filled with learning.. In some cases that learning came with a certain amount of regret or indifference that being targeted has led them down a path where there is no more learning how to cook. It is simply I can't or won't be bothered to try.

PvP is one of these issues.... I like you have never been a target of harassment for years... Stalker or not, eventually my personality Aside would flip and I would become the thing that hunts me and become the hunter.. Other people are not like me. Be it Passive or just not strong enough and choose to give up and move on.. that or just deal with it in other ways.

Everyone handles every situation differently, some strive under stress others fold but the main thing to remember is that there is another person on the other side of that computer they are not an NPC...

 "One persons fun and Content can lead to another person's misery"

After 7 years of playing Black Desert being at End game and liking some classes and hating others i consider myself one of the better players in Black Desert online. That being said, getting wrecked by over tuned classes that take little to no brain power or those abusing specific class meta skills that make them overpowered and allow them to make everyone under them content is one major issue of the game.

Though we can Blame PA for the changes in game which as PeaceinChaose so eloquently put it, As a player base we also have to take responsibility for our own actions and as Americans in NA this game is full of Abuse.. be it game mechanics, Player Classes, NW or Siege Tactics, Use of Pots or Shai Buffs You name it the list goes on and on in a Quest for one player to dominate over another.

Just because you may not have witnessed it personally does not  mean that other players don't have valid points with their own personal issues.

Unfortunately embellished or not, I can put the blame squarely on the shoulders of those doing the stalking, Node camping, Zerging AND the leadership of those Guilds that are just as disgusting as the acts of their members.. Most of these guild leaders or officers don't even know the 1st damn thing about ethics or responsibility for personal behavior.. So how the hell do you expect a game developer to instill it in them let alone a Game developer that has its own ethics issues.

I get where All sides of this argument come from. It took a few months to get it.. But unfortunately this cycle of behavior and now mistreatment of the player base by a developer hell bent on asserting dominance over a particular group of players is not going to end well for anyone.

Those of us that are going to suffer are not those that are responsible for the current state of the game.. The few have spoken and continue to speak... Most of them are in the top siege guilds or players with end game gear that are taking it out on anyone they deem as the reason this game lost its core element. Good example is players using passive aggressive behaviour parking guild elephants on Heidel Rooftops just to irritate the RP'ers and care bears when a MAJORITY of them have less to do with the current state of the game than the PVP'ers themselves.

Taking it out on others like a child throwing a tantrum IS NOT THE WAY TO GET THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.... there are a lot more red players now than before taking it out on specific players and groups.. Targeting Streamers that now have a very negative opinion of PVP like Blue Squadron is getting us literally nowhere and i for one am tired of it all.. As PeaceinChaos my time in BDO is rapidly coming to an end thanks to the out of control cycle of abuse and behavior between both the Developers and the playerbase.

Hear hear and well said.  I could deal with my stalker, eventually.  He got wrecked and lost exp, crystal and gear.  Yet, he persists.  Even now when he goes red.

The bigger issue for me is how he targetted innocent women in my guild.  He also went after them when he couldn't find me or deail with me. crossing channels to blackrobe them.  As many were high ranked, he could readily find them.  They had nothing to do with our chat quarrel, yet he went after them to get to me. 

Some people in chat applauded his behaviors.  So, as you say, even though PA created the mechanics that allowed this, a few of the very worst people brought these changes on as well.  To be clear, even though he has a much harder time harassing us now, I think PA overdid the gvg changes.  Even though it would cause him to schedule his griefing more systematically to exploit these, I would make the following changes 1) allow one sided deccs and put timers on them - long enough to protect a rotation grind; 2) put cooldowns on redeccing.

It's a shame that the behavior of a few drove PA to this.

I been thinking on this very subject for some time..

Not beating around the bush here as the example that Columba is using. But as in all things in life we learn and grow from experiences, Everyone learns differently.

Your parents tell you not to put your hand on the stove because it's hot.... As most of us that were kids some of us didn't listen and got burned... But as we got older we started to learn how to use a stove, pots , pans and how to cook. We learned where to put our hands and were not to. Even after all that there are some that just couldn't learn that is just the way life is.

Black desert is filled with learning.. In some cases that learning came with a certain amount of regret or indifference that being targeted has led them down a path where there is no more learning how to cook. It is simply I can't or won't be bothered to try.

PvP is one of these issues.... I like you have never been a target of harassment for years... Stalker or not, eventually my personality Aside would flip and I would become the thing that hunts me and become the hunter.. Other people are not like me. Be it Passive or just not strong enough and choose to give up and move on.. that or just deal with it in other ways.

Everyone handles every situation differently, some strive under stress others fold but the main thing to remember is that there is another person on the other side of that computer they are not an NPC...

 "One persons fun and Content can lead to another person's misery"

After 7 years of playing Black Desert being at End game and liking some classes and hating others i consider myself one of the better players in Black Desert online. That being said, getting wrecked by over tuned classes that take little to no brain power or those abusing specific class meta skills that make them overpowered and allow them to make everyone under them content is one major issue of the game.

Though we can Blame PA for the changes in game which as PeaceinChaose so eloquently put it, As a player base we also have to take responsibility for our own actions and as Americans in NA this game is full of Abuse.. be it game mechanics, Player Classes, NW or Siege Tactics, Use of Pots or Shai Buffs You name it the list goes on and on in a Quest for one player to dominate over another.

Just because you may not have witnessed it personally does not  mean that other players don't have valid points with their own personal issues.

Unfortunately embellished or not, I can put the blame squarely on the shoulders of those doing the stalking, Node camping, Zerging AND the leadership of those Guilds that are just as disgusting as the acts of their members.. Most of these guild leaders or officers don't even know the 1st damn thing about ethics or responsibility for personal behavior.. So how the hell do you expect a game developer to instill it in them let alone a Game developer that has its own ethics issues.

I get where All sides of this argument come from. It took a few months to get it.. But unfortunately this cycle of behavior and now mistreatment of the player base by a developer hell bent on asserting dominance over a particular group of players is not going to end well for anyone.

Those of us that are going to suffer are not those that are responsible for the current state of the game.. The few have spoken and continue to speak... Most of them are in the top siege guilds or players with end game gear that are taking it out on anyone they deem as the reason this game lost its core element. Good example is players using passive aggressive behaviour parking guild elephants on Heidel Rooftops just to irritate the RP'ers and care bears when a MAJORITY of them have less to do with the current state of the game than the PVP'ers themselves.

Taking it out on others like a child throwing a tantrum IS NOT THE WAY TO GET THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.... there are a lot more red players now than before taking it out on specific players and groups.. Targeting Streamers that now have a very negative opinion of PVP like Blue Squadron is getting us literally nowhere and i for one am tired of it all.. As PeaceinChaos my time in BDO is rapidly coming to an end thanks to the out of control cycle of abuse and behavior between both the Developers and the playerbase.

To be clear, I do not condone using griefing as a way to protest the game direction.  That just causes player division and possibly conversion.  Both things we don't want/need when persuing a goal.  I am only discussing what brought us to this situation.  My opinion on protests is that the only meaningful one is to stop playing.  As long as you continue logging in you're at least passively condoning the changes, whether you believe they are good or not.  Frankly, PA is having a bit of a Star Wars: Galaxy's moment where they're trying to fundamentally change the game.  We'll see how it works out for them, but so far I've seen nothing that would make me want to log back in.

But to actually do something we need the whole community.. not just PVP'rs.. instead those few are isolating us even further.

The reason people are upset about PAs crusade against PvP is because they are doing a 180 degree turn on their initial design 

The last part you said is also just completely made up. PA stock is down almost 30% in the past year which just happens to be about the timeframe of all the carebear changes to BDO. 

This to work, there must be organisation. Topic for starting to be picked date etc. Streamers could help a lot too. But without plan its not gona work.

Nobody isolating PvPrs for OW PvP u have 2 servers of Arsha and you can check there why this content does not have any bigger sense, matches can last forever there are no losers or winners. System where you can just stand up after lose and attack again from the back is dumb. There is no real competition only sensesless killing each other, wasting elions over n over again.

Are you on drugs, they did just that. Isolating the PvPers from all the channels exept Arsha. And we talk and talk that we want regulated PvP with rules and concecuencess. Is Arsha this??????
They also isolated every player by creating marni.... In MMMO....Thats pure stupidity