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Nerf classes that can spam Iframe while having grab.
Mar 15, 2024, 17:09 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Mar 15, 2024, 17:09 (UTC)
# 1

Family Name: Jagdmarschall

Region (NA/EU): Europe

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Since reboot, Pearl Abyss decided it was really cool idea to provide Iframe on classes that can use a grab.

I'm mostly pointing Lahn awakening, Sage awakening, Hashashin awakening, Ranger awakening, Ninja, Kunoichi & Tamer.

Those classes I listed are a serious issue in duel, they can use their grab just after an Iframe. This kind of genius idea from Pearl Abyss doesn't help at all in the current PVP state.
We are already struggling due to damage, and insane damage resistance.
Iframe on those classes is making them really hard to punish especially when you know they can punish the moment you do a single Super Armor or Forward Guard.

I kinda understand Pearl Abyss wants to grant them a protection because they don't have a block, but those classes are already very well protected beside their Iframe, they also have a very good mobility, for some their stamina is the only "nerf" Pearl Abyss found to not make their way too powerful, which is a bit reversed to the iframe.

This idea also became even worst after Pearl Abyss decided to add Arena of Solare and balance classes around that.
They did a complete rework to Ranger awakening, granting her damage, mobility, protection while she can keep her pre awakening to pre engage with CCs.
They gave back to Tamer her iframes they removed during reboot, granting her an insane protection rotation.
They reworked Ninja awakening, making him insane in PVP, it's protected, it has insane damage.


All of this has to change.
You have a grab, you're using only SA / FG or nothing as protection.
Last Edit : Mar 15, 2024, 21:45 (UTC)
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Warrior main complaining about other classes with a grab?  Next you will be crying that other classes get to use frontal guard.

Last Edit : Mar 16, 2024, 01:09 (UTC)
# 3

Warrior complaining about grab?

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Last Edit : Mar 16, 2024, 08:04 (UTC)
# 4

LMAO

Last Edit : Mar 16, 2024, 10:12 (UTC)
# 5

Ninja and insane damage.

Edit: Homie is a warrior main complaining about grabs. Ok buddy.

Last Edit : Mar 16, 2024, 10:47 (UTC)
# 6
Écrit le : 15 mars 2024, 21:45 (UTC), par : FearlessLy

Warrior main complaining about other classes with a grab?  Next you will be crying that other classes get to use frontal guard.

I'm well aware about grab and warrior. However I'm mostly pointing the fact iframe + grab shouldn't be a thing.
From what I remember Warrior doesn't have spammable iframe.
Same for Valk or Bersker.

Last Edit : Mar 16, 2024, 10:49 (UTC)
# 7
Écrit le : 15 mars 2024, 21:45 (UTC), par : FearlessLy

Warrior main complaining about other classes with a grab?  Next you will be crying that other classes get to use frontal guard.

I'm complaining about the fact it just a total mistake to allow this.
The game already has big unbalance from the root, and Pearl Abyss is being stupid by reworking some class by giving them iframe when they have a grab.

People has been crying on Warrior due to his grab since years, why aren't they crying on the classes I listed ?

Last Edit : Mar 16, 2024, 10:49 (UTC)
# 8
Écrit le : 16 mars 2024, 01:09 (UTC), par : Awgust

Warrior complaining about grab?

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Drakania talking in chat.

Last Edit : Mar 16, 2024, 11:22 (UTC)
# 9
On: Mar 16, 2024, 10:49 (UTC), Written by Anvorka

I'm complaining about the fact it just a total mistake to allow this.
The game already has big unbalance from the root, and Pearl Abyss is being stupid by reworking some class by giving them iframe when they have a grab.

People has been crying on Warrior due to his grab since years, why aren't they crying on the classes I listed ?

None of the classes you listed were reworked to gain such things. Iframes have been in the game for a long time, and the only class in your list that can spam iframes are tamers. The rest have cds attached to their iframes. Lahn has heavy stamina restrictions and their spam is relegated to being SA, Hash's iframe is iframe -> sa and it has a longer cd than the shortswords. Awk Sage has the longest cd on his iframe, but he can expend resources to continue iframing, but it's finite and enough pressure will gas him out either by draining his stam or making him run out of cds to burn.

Tamers are unholy, but just like most of the classes in this list, it's a dead or low population class. It's only enjoying a small renaissance in effectiveness because of just how good that magnus skill is. It really suffers from how ineffective it is in scales larger than 3v3, so it's whatever. Also that class lives and dies by its grab. Everything else that it does is complete booty cheeks nowadays.

Shortswords in general are dead, and most people who picked up Ninja or Kuno have since rolled off the class because of how ass they are, or because nw guilds just don't want them cuz they suck in large scale. They require a huge skill gap to end up being less effective than some bot on a maegu or archer. Awk sage is the only popular class in this list, and even then, people are slow to figure out how busted it currently is.

Also, when awk drak, awk musa, and succ lahn exist, there's generally no reason to play any other rat class because those classes are just that strong. They are just too good at bombing and disrupting people with little repercussion. Not to mention that Awk drak is even a level above Musa and potentially Lahn as well, but Lahn eats rooftop warriors and rock campers like nobodies' business, so it's hard to say.

Last Edit : Mar 16, 2024, 14:27 (UTC)
# 10

While we're at it lets also remove super armor blocks and make them all just frontal. 

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