No offense to op, but I really doubt they'd put in the time and effort to make it work when they don't really have to.
I do think if they did, and it changed classes, it'd be fun. Just another thing to adapt to, like when we've had to adapt to any drastic change.

Like I was saying before, it'd probably be easy with some classes but not all. And some classes would have skill keys overlap, making it near impossible. They wouldn't do that for only some classes and leave others the way they are.
I wouldn't mind if they made some skills usuable in awakening, rather than trying to completely redo awakening to make it its own thing.
Because It'd be way less work for them, making it more plausible to happen.

Valk for instance, cel spear, when its used, I just go back into awakening right after. Making the whole transition into preawakening pointless, It procs the C swap timer, can get around it a few ways, but standing you can't C swap right after, or cancel with C swap.
Literally have to chain cel spear into promptness creating an unnecessary gap. If you do dlc backwards>cel spear, to get around the C swap timer, you can proc C swap, but its slow af, better off chaining into promptness. Or shield chase to the side>counter>shield throw>cel spear>C swap, chain 3 unprotected skills just for a decent C swap.

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I do agree that in this game, each class can have a separate final awakening version as the succession. They could do something for awakening like they did with succession. with a good luster in skills such as succession, improving skills and even adding more skills upon awakening.

Yes friends it is possible and I believe it was good for each class because what made us play this game was the awakening version of each class. So yes I agree and I think they could make this option (awakenig prime) final version without needing to use the main skills, showing that the class completely mastered their awakening without needing the main anymore the final and more powerful version

 If it's possible ? Of course, we have examples of classes Nova and Guardian awakening that do not need skills from the main because awakening are excellent and easy.

Friends one more thing we have to think in general and not in individual because some want the character with complex skills, others do not, but rather give options to the players to play with their favorite classes and not obligate them to exchange because it is difficult to play with a certain class.

I'm a Striker, I like the class, I know its complexity to use the skills. I'm just giving an example.

separate wake up ie a final version would be beautiful in the game

Big hug, always think in general good night to all

It isn't about removing complexity of the fight or not wanting to weapon swap,its about the sheer disadvantage of the need to swap while these successions dont.If I have to swap to do half my skills while succ don't your at a massive disadvantage.

Why doesn't succ wiz have to swap to do prime voltaic or prime aqua jail...that would be a little more fair at least

I play Awakened Sorceress, so I would not like this at all.  I am imagining playing without Rabam's, without the i-frames needed for my class to function because of the quick, cancelable, yet unprotected attacks, without the ability to Q buff, use Shield of Darkness (a "passive" DP buff that needs to be activated) or Bloody Contract (sacrifice some HP for shards), and so much other things.

Basically, an Awakened Sorceress will not be able to function unless big changes are made to her kit, which, I feel is way too much development time and why change a good thing?  I play this class specifically for the feel of it, and taking away pre-awakened skills would absolutely destroy this aspect.

I also feel that Awakened offers more room for expression.  I will also argue that Awakening requires more mechanical skill than Succession, which is a good thing, and that by removing weapon swapping, takes away from this.  The reason I love Sorc so much is because of the Awakened spec's mechanics or control, and this is heavily lent to the fact with Awakened Sorc, the gameplay is almost 50/50 between pre-awakened and Awakening stances.

EDIT:  You mentioned playing Awakened Nova.  Isn't this class played pretty much always in Awakening stance anyway?  IDK the exact ratio, but isn't Nova Awakening gameplay around 80% in Awakening, 20% in pre-awakened stance?  If so, then why make this change, lol?  You pretty much play exclusively in Awakened stance anyway, unless I'm wrong, which please LMK if I am.

@Stopweaponswap, correct me if i'm wrong.

But I think what s/he meant was something along the lines of how 'main' in the skill tree is, a fat ass list of skills, but applied to awakening in itself; without ruining class functionability. So the skill tree for awakening would be just as big, making it its own thing, rather than pre+awakening.

Awakened Sorc for instance, would always have her scythe in hand and able to use night crow plus other necessary skills, with an updated animation to it. Like how prime violation looks compared to normal violation. So being forced into preawakening to use necessary skills wouldn't be a thing. Would always stay in awakening form and function similar to how it is now.

Keeping the class feel similar and always having the awakening aesthetic.
Its a decent idea imo, would make succession/awakening more unique, just a lot of work.

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the idea is silly. I would rather you say; "give us a 3rd weapon type for all classes! we can call it ORIGINS! or something blah!"

I'm trying to imagine how it would work in practice, and I'm having a hard time.  Maybe a third option apart from Succession/Awakening would be cool, something like you mentioned. 

As it stands, however, I can't imagine how removing mainhand and making Sorc use only Scythe abilities would actually work in practice.

I think they mean to add more skills to awaken to make it viable on it's own like succ is or allow us to use awaken skills from the hot bar without the need to transition kind of like how succ can use 2 awaken skills right now and they don't have to transition at least I know wiz succ currently gets 2 awaken skills anyways,not sure about other classes.

For instance awaken wiz over half the skills they use are non awaken skills.All their support and utility skills are in non awaken other than our slow and since the classes awakening kit alone has little attacking skills and no support or utility it is not self sufficient to be used alone which means you spend half the battle transitioning making you much more vulnerable and slower than the succ counterpart.This isn't even taking into consideration the fact the non awaken are mostly only good for utility since unlike the succ version are mostly unprotected,much less damaging, and slower in comparison.

I'm not familiar with sorc so I'm guessing maybe their non awakening kit doesn't require transitioning maybe?Does it automatically switch between non awakening and awakening when you use a skill from a different stance?

I mean sure as far as total skills awakening has a few more but in terms of useful skills succ has way more.Even 1 great protected,ccing skill is better than 10 junk non protected,non ccing,low dmg skills that will only get you killed if you use them.

Heck succ even gets to use the Rabams without transitioning unlike awaken

As a third option would be a decent idea. Have current Awakening be a mix of both, then have a 'true' Awakening on its own.
So we'd have Succession, Mixed Awakening, and Pure Awakening.
Again, I doubt it'd ever be implemented due to how much work it'd be, but its not a bad idea imo.

My guess, Dream of Doom for instance, instead of having to go back into to preawakening to put her hands in the air, could just start above the scythe and be thrown. Instead of side tele limited to 1 tele with a CD in awakening, it'd just normal preawakened night crow while always being in awakening. Buffs like normal, just keeps scythe in hand. Building shard pieces could be applied to skills in awakening.

A big problem would be skill keys overlapping, which I've stated in an earlier post. May be able to get around somethings using C+WASD and hot keying buffs/certain skills. But probably not be a solution for every class.

Changing of weapon style in combat isn't for everyone.

Frankly, I need it.

Nova and Ranger awakening.

For Nova the shield is for when I want to clear mobs in a more relaxed slower manner, and get a better look over the area.

For Ranger, I use the sword for tight close encounters, where evasive move/shoot/roll over top of mobs isn't an option.

The only thing I would want in switching is a faster *switch*, the timing always is a few seconds too slow for me and the animations..l often mutter "here we go,the swishy drama queen pose for swap of weapons*