No..his argument is that a straight PvE channel would not work as intended with the way this game is designed.

And he is correct. It would take ALOT more to make this a strict PvE game thats playable. They are making Crimson desert for that.

You are so stupid that you don't realize you are still arguing from assumptions and generalizations and not ACTUAL proof.  How sad.  Like I said, I guess you just love to be wrong all the time.  Andif you are going to use that as standpoint of dicussion, well by that standard no1 gives a flying mosquito about what you think either.  So is that going to be the standard for "discussions" going forward?

Actually, the fact that when you defend your spot, you get to continue to grind means you make silver.  If you can drive somebody off without triggering a GvG, once again you make silver.  The thing is, if you trigger a GvG or become red and than get red player hunted, you will at best come out with zero silver...or end up losing money.  The game is set up so the one who is acting like an a-hole generally gets the worse end of the deal.  Yes there are some key issues...like karma bombing and perma deccing that COULD be issues.  I was in a guild that disbanded over getting perma decced...but to be fair, the guy who triggered that perma dec was pretty toxic and while I don't know the details of why that happened, I would not be surprised if it was deserved.  However, it could be a powerful guild flexing issue as well.  I don't see this happen often...but it is not outside of the real of possibility that a single high power guild could be problematic.  If you are having multiple guilds perma dec you...than I'm gonna guess the problem is your guild however.  Perma decs are a rare thing...and when they happen, it is usually for a good reason...like say your guildmate decided to cannon run a guilds khan run.

I don't want a PvE server because IT WON'T WORK.  If you can't see that grinding on seasonal servers...I don't know what to tell you.  You must be blind deaf and stupid not to notice it won't work.  I don't mean hop on once a week for the 5k kill quest that you can group up to finish even faster.  I mean to grind like you normally would.  People will ignore rotations, cut in front of you, ignore your request to stop or keep to a rotation because they CAN.  They don't have to reply to you.  You know what a PvP options makes them do?  Not be an a-hole...least they get attacked.

And I have already said I don't like Arsha as an option either.  Arsha is BETTER if you want to avoid PvP because it's so empty in pretty much all zones other than a couple of the new hadum ones.  Even SE is less contested on Arsha.  The PvP server is the most PvE friendly.  It's a waste of resources to have a server that people will avoid...like Arsha...and like what the PvE server will becomes once you all realize how much of a toxic place that will be when it will be like the seasonal server...only worse because it isn't just seasonal characters on there.  You wanna see whale griefers go nuts?  They will guildless in the PvE server so you can't dec them and they will go nuts grinding over you using classes like the Nova.  If you think the controlled and limited PvP right now is such an unbearable amount of griefing that you have to complain so loudly...I can't wait to see your face if they ever release a PvE only server.  

1: Player A grinding with 250 AP - Player B with 290 AP come to the same spot and asking for DFS - Player A loses the spot.

On PvE server this cannot happen.

(You would be surprised how many people with 290+ AP still grinding and Shultz and Aakman if you actually played the game)

2: Player A asks for DFS (being the A-hole) - Player B loses his spot.

Are you sure that the guy who is being the A-hole is the loser in most cases?

Dec war exist by the way, so he can kill the other player nonstop until he leave the spot.

3: You start seeing the light at the end of the tunnel huh?

Karma bombing - mob feeding - dec war exist.

You won't be able to do any of that in a PvE only server.

4: Your opinion.

Because you think it won't work, you don't want anyone to even try it.

Since you won't pay money from your own pocket to run the server, stop enforcing your opinion on other people.

Also the game is not only about grinding mobs.

Life skilling exists too.

People might want to do random quests in the open world or finish their adventure logs or complete the story freely - people might want to barter freely - people might want to go AFK in the middle of nowhere or AFK life skill outside of the safe zones.

Did you ever thought any of these things before, or the only thing you can think of is grinding?

BDO is no PvP game ... if it would be a PvP game it would be one of the worst.

Real PvP games:
MMORPGs:
EVE, Albion: PvP is possible after a few hours of gameplay. Cheap ship, cheap gear? How cares. If you die you loose everything equipped. If you gank somebody - it's all yours. So what? It's not behind a 1000 hours + luck RNG wall so buy/sell the stuff from somebody that crafted it previously and repeat. If this would be implemented in BDO this would be a nightmare - because the RNG system would completele escalate the time required to refit and RNG-fun yourself. As a consequence: This means players in BDO are isolated either in competitive as well in coop terms. You can't gift your buddy anything. You can't steal your enemy anything. It does not makes sense to sell something crafted as nothing of value gets destroyed. RNG prevents everything. The so called "open world" PvP from BDO is comparable (and yet softer than) those "yellow zones" in Albion where somebody can knock you down but don't kill/loot you.

Mobas:
LoL, Dota, ... Balanced from the first minute you play. So much more classes so much more abilities, so much more requirement to act as a team. And RNG? ... 

FPS:
CoD, Fortnite, Apex, ... More or less balanced from the first minute you play it. Well there is a bit of RNG. Probably your enemy gets some super OP rifle and you loot some crap but it does not takes 1000 hours to catch up. Just die and repeat. 

TCG:
MTG, Hearstone, ... PvP with RNG works and could even make fun. If you've bad luck the round is over soon and you can start new. There's no need for "catch up mechanic nonsense".


And now BDO:
Is behind 1000+ hours of PvE. Thanks to massive RNG this still means for many that they just are doomed to use some gear below or around softcap while others (yet again thanks to RNG) steamroll those.
OpenWorld PvP is completele pointless: The attacker gains nothing (except negative karma). The victim looses nothing. Thanks to massive RNG this can't be changed. Overused RNG in BDO even completely destroys the option to make a free marked system like in other games.
RBF: "Teleport" out of the real BDO into some laggy CC fest. Thanks but no thanks. There are a lot more polished games where I can instant "teleport" in and out without RPG aspect.

1) You are right, the 290 AP guy can't ask for a DFS...he can just grind over the 250 AP guy until he leaves in a PvE server.  And 290 AP and shultz?!?  BWHAHAHAHAHAHA...yeah no.  At Aakman...yes...because they are looking for treasure pieces.  It's why 290 AP people are also at bloodwolves.  And you know what is even worse?  That 290 guy doesn't even haveto keep to a rotation while treasure piece hunting.  He can go all around to kill the single mob type that most treasure needs and mess up rotations for 4 people all by themselves.  Do that in a PvP server and you may see 4 or more guild decs incoming...and maybe even perma decs depending on much of an a-hole you are while doing that.  Assuming once again the guy is even in a deccable guild.  Fun fact...a lot of the REALLY toxic players in this game are not in guilds...because guilds don't want them because of the trouble they bring. 

2) If you accept a DFS, don't get salty is you lose.  Don't go lose a DFS and go the person has better gear or is a better class so they are neing an a-hole.  You AGREED to the DFS...no if and or but about it.  You lost...big deal.  Go find a new spot, wish the guy who won good luck and go on your merry way playing the game. Don't wanna DFS, don't.  Tell the guy you plan to be there for X time.  Or more normally, go I have scrolls running and X min left on it or burning Agris, have X points left.  You'd be surprised how often when you tell somebody a time frame...especially if you have buffs going, they go okay and wait.  Even on Arsha.  Yeah...that nasty PvP server.  The one you would expect somebody to just gank you on the spot.  

3) Mob feeding can still happen unless they are geared to be no brain grinding the zone even in PvE.  Have several of your friends tag along and wait for you to get CCed.  Than have them all bring mobs to where you are and instead of 10 mobs hitting you, you can have 40+ mobs hitting you.  Guess what happened than.  As for guild decs...considering that it goes through on the seasonal servers, I don't see why they would diable this if they made PvE only servers.  It would give a server for griefers to bad things....like cannon guild khan runs and than pop into the PvE servers to gain immunity.  If they let the PvE server be protected from decs...yeah no, that is a flat out deal breaker because it WILL HAVE A DIRECT AND NEGATIVE effect on other servers as griefers use it as a safe haven like they were doing with tagging system and being red.  Obviously no karma bombing...but considering that is something lower gear players do...not sure why you think it is a problem when you seem to be in argument for the low geared person so far.

4) The thing is...we TRIED IT YOU BLOODY IDJET.  The seasonal servers.  And it had protections from griefing of you have to use a seasonal character to boot.  And it was still god awful.  I have been PKed once while trade crating and lost hundreds of millions of silver.  So this is why I can kinda sorta see a lifeskill PvE server...KINDA.  Such a server would obviously have no combat mobs spawn.  But really...I wanna AFK outside of safe zones is once again a MORONIC reason for such a server and everytime you PvE server people try and use that as an excuse as to why the expendeture of resources is a good idea, I'm gonna get more and more against the idea.  And mind you I have an actual reason why I want a lifeskill server.  But even in a lifeskill server decs MUST GO THROUGH.

Yep you are 100% correct...which is why I like BDO.  I don't like PvP.  This game is not a PvP game.  The "owPvP" is there more of as an don't be an a-hole device and I am okay with that.  Seriously, when I started this game, I wasn't sure I was gonna like it because of the "open world PvP".  But nope, it is balanced in a manner where it's fine for a PvE player like me.  Honestly it solves a LOT of problems in pure PvE games.  I do like me my odd matched based PvP games...but things like EVE...yeah that's not for me.  

This right here ^ shows that you don't even play the game.

If you don't accept a duel inside a 30 second period of time and you keep attacking mobs, the other guy will straight up Flag on and try to kill you.

So you either outgear - outskill him and win, or vice versa and you lose.

And what will happen next?

The player who lost will keep comming back to the same location and the player who flagged on will either dec war (if the other guy has a guild) or he will try to mob feed him.

You are a big man behind the keyboard right?

You flamed me like 2/3 times now?

Go on flame me more kid.

Can you all stop with this "DFS" bull...t?

Speaking for myself, and I'd like everybody to always remember that there is a distinction between IMO and actual facts (a fact is that BDO is a scammy game, a IMO is that PvE servers are a good idea), I don't mind PvP at all, I never had a problem with it, nor I had a problem with Lifeskilling, it's actually well thought and well implemented, speaking of actions available and things to do. The problem is everything else. It's a PvE game that does a very piss job in being a PvE game (it's a PvE game because you have the story, world bosses, nodes for life skilling etc..), with the excuse to go PvP for nothing and waste money in the process, and there's a lot of players that are masochists and spend cash in this bullshit of a game, and this because they are incapable of creating a game with classes that have a role, with meaningful mechanics where everybody is dps (because you want to be DPS or else how you're gonna kill anybody in PvP right?) and mobs that are more than trash or glorified trash (world bosses and rift bosses). Also the game has 0 progress outside of Lifeskilling (that still it's tied in maximizing silver per hour in order to..well I guess dress up for PvP..or just for the fuck of it that would be much more understandable since Lifeskilling works well at least), 0 progress tied to skill on the road of gearing up and no relevant, meaningful content that makes you ahve fun in doing so.

And they don't give a fuck about it, and the proof is under your nose, open the pearl store and understand that you're paying fucking 30 bucks (or more) for outfits because they designed a game with atrocious looking boss' gear skins in order to fuck their customers further.

The only reason BDO is decent is life skilling. The rest is trash, like the mobs they force you to grind and call it a day. 

PvP on paper could be decent, but it's not because their engine sucks.

Btw you'll never see PvE servers not because they want to make a service to their customers and keep the game playable and not crowded, but because they are more concerned about the economy of the game, which is 99% of the game and gamers psyche (which is extremely exploitable as you can see by reading this forum), and everything is built around it in order for them to make money out of you.

The sooner you all get this the better.

I don't mind wasting money on something I like and that is well done and provides equal fun for the money wasted on it.

What I hate is to play a game by a company that insults my intelligence and tries to rob me of cash and time giving me frustration and boredom. And after 5 years of BDO I'm fucking bored and tired of their excuses of "our formula is open-world because WE KNOW BETTERRR!! WE GOOODDD!!! WE INNOVATEEE!!!" no, not at all pals. PA just thinks his customer base is made of imbeciles, and maybe it is (me included obviously).

And just because I'm able to swipe a card as much as I want monthly doesn't mean I will if what I swipe for is trash. 

I just took a look at banned accounts recently, they ban people for macro use... in a MMO. I'd love to see people with impairments not use Macros because they will be banned, of course, those might not be the case, but the fact that they do it's not to "ensure it's fair etc etc" and all that bullshit, it's because with macros you might be more proficient in playing the game (profit-wise, who cares about PvP, they don't), and they prohibt macros in a game where afk gameplay is encouraged... ... If the reason was really to be sure of a equal environment they would kick your ass out of the server after 10 minutes of inactivity, because a person that keeps their PC on 24/7 compared to one that doesn't, that also fucking not fair (and they make money by doing so, as I do with 2 other machines).

I have nothing else to add. I'll keep reading this thread to know what you all have to say, but I guess I stated my opinion enough so far.

So...let me get this striaght, somebody asks for a DFS.  Your reply is to IGNORE THEM ENTIRELY.  Who are you attempting to prove is the a-hole again?  Because the a-hole in what you just said is YOU FRAKING IDJET.