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Cash shop Crystal Restore item makes me consider quitting Black Desert forever
Apr 6, 2024, 12:25 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Apr 6, 2024, 12:25 (UTC)
# 1

Crystal loss bothered me for a while, mostly because of the reasons I mentioned in another forum topic
https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/Forum/ForumTopic/Detail?_topicNo=43198&_opinionNo=0

This time I see no redeming path for PA when they become judge and jury, with no way for me to appeal.
So we have not detect any issues on our side. Would you ever?

Now when there's another layer of pay to... wait, this is not even pay to win... This is just messed up.
Convince me PA would not pump up connectivity issues to make us lose more crystals.
I don't lose crystals to mistakes, nobody feeds me to monsters. It's always the same story - enemies freeze, taking no damage and then game speeds up and my character receives unfair damage or simply falls into death animation, sometimes after reconnect screen loads.

Not only pearl shop crystal restore is predatory, it's the exact opposite of what the game should evolve into.
With so many QOL changes and free stuff given to newcomers I'm confused how PA does not see this strategy as horrid repellent.

Big yikes.

Last Edit : Apr 6, 2024, 12:58 (UTC)
# 2

It is the most out of touch PvE planned update I've seen yet.

They should be implementing nearly any of the suggested alternatives to the crystal breaking that are in the pinned mega thread with nearly 5k interactions at this point.

An intelligent team of developers and producers would realize the one thing this game has over many others in the genre, is it's rich and in depth combat system. Let us actually fight mobs that are a threat and can easily kill us without punishing the player with dated regression mechanics.

This would end up fixing the risk of break via disconnection issues too that anyone in a country that has states the size of Korea faces. (Somewhat)

With what they've done with PvP and the refusal to fully realize enjoyable PvE, one could mistake that they are willfully stupid at this point. 

Last Edit : Apr 6, 2024, 14:38 (UTC)
# 3

In making this as a cash option, I'm thinking at the same time, they will likely give these out regularly as free items during events or even add them to some of the gamba boxes. Not only will they have given us the three free crystal restorations during the year, but they'll also give these out. Honestly, in my entire time playing (a little over two years) I probably have broken like 7 crystals? I don't dive head first into a mob zone I haven't researched the necessary requirements for and I test the waters with one pack usually, then make adjustments. Anyway, my point being 1) they didn't a crystal restoration system until just recently, 2) now there giving more ability to restore crystals through cash shop, 3) most likely, they'll give these out and you'll end up with a stock of them like elion's tears. 

I really don't get some players. You want a good game right? A good MMORPG? One that continues to grow? Well, it's going to cost time and money. This isn't a single player RPG, like Zelda, that is done by developers with set time frame and a definitive end point and cost a set, specific amount of money. This game is one that I truly never seeing ending and always growing... but that is going to take time, money, and compensation to the workers.

Again, I truly don't get some players - some seem to expect everything for nothing. That's not how we're going to keep black desert going. Many of you knew good and well when you got into this game that there would be cash option stuff. This game isn't like Stardew Valley that was built by one person. This game requires a whole slew of people to maintain it, create new content, and do things like the in-person events to keep it going and growing.

Last Edit : Apr 6, 2024, 15:40 (UTC)
# 4

It's crazy that PA milks an negelected system to make it less frustrating.

Just ignore the item and imagine its not in the game.

 

Crystal break has a place to make grindspots more "dangerous" but if PA doesn't plan to change what a grindspots makes "dangerous", they should simply remove it. Mobs do way too much damage, too many of their attacks have a CC and overall the style of grinding changed from back in the day. 

Last Edit : Apr 6, 2024, 15:45 (UTC)
# 5

Last two times I died in BDO: in murrow holycrap. And coming back from trading in VC, was tabbed and forgot to put my gatherer clothes back on haha. Heard the death noise and it's like NO. I was so mad at the murrow death I used a restore on a 600m crystal. At this point, I would only restore a tear.

I dunno if crystal loss really does make sense, tbh. Esp considering world bosses and the fact that you can swap out your crystals to not lose anything. It's kinda a wack mechanic. If there was like crystal DURA and you had to replace them eventually, that might make sense economically, but just loss due to death, most of which as said aren't really player error. There are so many places you can stand in mobs that it's like haha. Only at the highest lvl of content are you even capable of dying. If you can farm the mobs, the only places you can really die imo are end end game.

Last Edit : Apr 6, 2024, 16:32 (UTC)
# 6
On: Apr 6, 2024, 14:38 (UTC), Written by KnightsRadiant

3) most likely, they'll give these out and you'll end up with a stock of them like elion's tears. 

Possibly but this still does not justify PA profiting from an issue they potentially can create simply by pretending it can't be detected by support - because this is where our rights as players end. We can politely ask for PA to investigate server lags in general, we can hope with incoming skill rework the stress on servers will be less harsh and maybe, just MAYBE rubberbanding and disconnections will become less frequent.

Heck, I bet there are players who never experienced any deaths due to server hiccups. Good for them. Does it make mine and all the rest players' experience less valuable? I think not.

I'm not a hypocrite, I hope PA makes enough money to continue BDO for another decade and beyond - sadly, I'm torn between thinking decision making team of Pearl Abyss is not aware of why EU/NA/SEA users lose crystals so often and possibility they DO know but coldly decide profiting from our misery is acceptable solution, aside from using trash Crystals or even boycotting this feature altogether.

Last Edit : Apr 6, 2024, 18:45 (UTC)
# 7

Create a problem and sell the solution 🤡

Last Edit : Apr 6, 2024, 23:31 (UTC)
# 8
On: Apr 6, 2024, 14:38 (UTC), Written by KnightsRadiant

In making this as a cash option, I'm thinking at the same time, they will likely give these out regularly as free items during events or even add them to some of the gamba boxes. Not only will they have given us the three free crystal restorations during the year, but they'll also give these out. Honestly, in my entire time playing (a little over two years) I probably have broken like 7 crystals? I don't dive head first into a mob zone I haven't researched the necessary requirements for and I test the waters with one pack usually, then make adjustments. Anyway, my point being 1) they didn't a crystal restoration system until just recently, 2) now there giving more ability to restore crystals through cash shop, 3) most likely, they'll give these out and you'll end up with a stock of them like elion's tears. 

I really don't get some players. You want a good game right? A good MMORPG? One that continues to grow? Well, it's going to cost time and money. This isn't a single player RPG, like Zelda, that is done by developers with set time frame and a definitive end point and cost a set, specific amount of money. This game is one that I truly never seeing ending and always growing... but that is going to take time, money, and compensation to the workers.

Again, I truly don't get some players - some seem to expect everything for nothing. That's not how we're going to keep black desert going. Many of you knew good and well when you got into this game that there would be cash option stuff. This game isn't like Stardew Valley that was built by one person. This game requires a whole slew of people to maintain it, create new content, and do things like the in-person events to keep it going and growing.

Imagine defending yet more monetization when this is predatory beyond belief. The cash shop is already encyclopedic with it's size and variety.


The fact that this also preys upon the users of the clients that live in nations and states many times larger than tiny Korea, when our feedback is disregarded compared to theirs, is laughable.

Last Edit : Apr 7, 2024, 01:06 (UTC)
# 9

Agreed. I actually came back on to throw the hammer up on the market cause why not. Thinking about running a scholar through season for the fun of it but after that I'm gone again because losing crystals (which to be honest almost always happens cause of DC issues) is just super wack.

Last Edit : Apr 7, 2024, 01:58 (UTC)
# 10
On: Apr 6, 2024, 12:25 (UTC), Written by Rekkuzan

Crystal loss bothered me for a while, mostly because of the reasons I mentioned in another forum topic
https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/Forum/ForumTopic/Detail?_topicNo=43198&_opinionNo=0

This time I see no redeming path for PA when they become judge and jury, with no way for me to appeal.
So we have not detect any issues on our side. Would you ever?

Now when there's another layer of pay to... wait, this is not even pay to win... This is just messed up.
Convince me PA would not pump up connectivity issues to make us lose more crystals.
I don't lose crystals to mistakes, nobody feeds me to monsters. It's always the same story - enemies freeze, taking no damage and then game speeds up and my character receives unfair damage or simply falls into death animation, sometimes after reconnect screen loads.

Not only pearl shop crystal restore is predatory, it's the exact opposite of what the game should evolve into.
With so many QOL changes and free stuff given to newcomers I'm confused how PA does not see this strategy as horrid repellent.

Big yikes.

Classic PA move.  Create a problem, then charge customers to remediate it!  lol 

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