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New Ancient Anvil enhancement system is an epic fail and extreme p2w.
Apr 10, 2024, 08:59 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Apr 13, 2024, 10:47 (UTC)
# 41
On: Apr 13, 2024, 04:44 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

Two examples of your inability to read and understand one simple sentence.

Conclusion: your real earnings from yzrahid: 15760 trash x 25190 silver = 397 million (because that's how much trash is worth without bonuses).

So not 8-10 years of collecting for best end game gear, but "only" 4-5. A "huge" difference indeed.

also as above: inability to read and understand one simple sentence.

I will repeat it especially for you:

No end game gear, no agris (because it burns up to 20 minutes in some zones), no scrolls (because we're talking about new players who don't have them), no op class, and no drops (so noone care your 300% drop ratio), because no one who use brain sells caphrases or black stones because they are needed later, and this is the only drop on end game maps.

You dont have to repeat anything, because you are missusing your drops. 

Normal players calculate them in, because they use them (and dont have to buy this amount later) or sell them.

Just because you store them for eternity, doesnt mean they dont hold value or can be sold. - it even shows you the value in storage screenshot u sent.

Maybe you are the only person that knows math and all other players and developers dont understand math. 

Quit trolling, every attachements you provided directly in the screenshot proofed you wrong. 

Storage has 270bil value, but doesnt count it as existing and straight up neglects it and removes from equations just to make his point seem to hold value. Its obvious you are wrong by now and everyone agrees. 

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Last Edit : Apr 13, 2024, 12:08 (UTC)
# 42

Back to topic : I don't think the Anvil system is bad, it's the whole gamble which is already a trap, in fact. At best, only the unlucky one may ultimately be tempted to use the CS for the missing crons and reach the guaranteed success.

But most players will either refuse the gamble and buy directly (and this is possible for many items) or go down the gamble road while being prepared to spend more than the CS price.

But in any case :

- nobody will directly target the guaranteed success, it's only a safeguard for unlucky players (and in that sense, it is not a bad addition, that's the whole system before that which is predatory) 

- it makes no sense to calculate the price of the item after failing many times, players know they are gambling and it may end up more expensive. That's precisely the idea of a gamble, if players could know the result beforehand, they would choose the cheapest method, obviously. XD

Last Edit : Apr 13, 2024, 12:14 (UTC)
# 43
On: Apr 13, 2024, 05:18 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

No, I'm just revealing the lies that players present when they claim that they "earn 1b per hour".

With this method of calculation, you can have 1b per hour even from nightly sherekhans.

It's not me who starts the cry topics: I don't have black stones, I can't make a pen accessory.

You know why not me? This is why:

I think I know many decent players who could put all this to good use and buy one or two PEN Blackstar. Just saying. XD

Last Edit : Apr 13, 2024, 12:23 (UTC)
# 44
On: Apr 13, 2024, 08:19 (UTC), Written by TitanOfWar

Everything around trash counts as silver.

No, because I cannot exchange this loot for money that I can spend.

BDO has practically no drops and the ones that do exist are not suitable for sale:
- caphrases - not for sell, you need it to cr+

- black stones - not for sell, you need it to make caphrases

- dust - cannot be sold, you need it to make caphrases

- sealed black magic crystal - not for sell, you need it for magical shards

- mass of pure magic - cannot be sold

- memory scrolls fragments - not for sell, you need it to obtain memory fragments

- artifacts - cannot be sold, can be melted for very low value purified lightstones, hich will then give us low value lightstones

- imperfect lightstones - very low value, too expensive and unprofitable to exchange for purified lightstones

- weapon/armor boxes - not for sell, very low value, better to melt it down into materials

- trace - not for sell, very low value, better to use it yourself than to sell it

- accessories - too rare to take them into account, you can play for 3-5 hours and not get any, and currently almost all of them are worthless because what is 5-50m vs end game item worth 150-300b

- special items (e.g. crystallized despair, kabua fragments, etc.) - very rare (0-2 per hour), not for sell because you need a huge amount for yourself.

As you can see, only trash has a measurable value in silver. Let's not forget that whatever you want to sell is subject to a sickening 35% tax, which further reduces the already ridiculous value of this loot.

On: Apr 13, 2024, 10:38 (UTC), Written by Steifan

Griefes himself by not using or selling any items in the game. 

You can sell all blackstones and caphras if you straight buy +0 fallen gods for 20 bil, so ofc you count them in. Since you can either sell them or use them.  You chose to put them in storage and never think about them again, thats why you are failing and 'not counting' them. 

Keep your ridiculous advice to yourself and look at what I wrote above. Only a fool sells what I have collected. but I understand you: you have collected a ton of worthless silver and now you would like to buy my loot for pennies. It does not work like that. I can sell all this even today, but their maximum price must increase 10 times. Do you think I'll sell it to you for 2 so that you can turn these materials into items worth 5 and then sell them? If you want them, go, play, drop.

Last Edit : Apr 13, 2024, 13:09 (UTC)
# 45
On: Apr 13, 2024, 12:12 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud

I think I know many decent players who could put all this to good use and buy one or two PEN Blackstar. Just saying. XD

I know many who also had a lot, used it all, lost it all and stopped playing bdo.

Two pen BS and what next? Where's money for fallen god set, deboraka, manos?

This is just one of a dozen or so such warehouses I have, waiting for PA to make it worthwhile to process these materials.
Trash is now worth so much that absolutely all of this material has become worthless.

Eg. I have 1800 scorched fragments. I know that many players wants to buy them all the time. But I won't sell them for 3.5m each when I can turn them into manos accessories worth 200m each. There is only one problem: this is how I earned billions from it 2 years ago, it made sense then. Currently, if you can earn 1b in an hour from trash, further production of manos accessories does not make sense. Calculate how long it will take me to melt ore into pure crystals (including craft metal solvent), produce essences, and barter to exchange coins for manos stones. And sometimes PA will organize an event, give everyone a manos box and price will drop by 50%.

Or another example: do players want kutum lamps or nouver statue? Yes, they want:

Can I produce them?
Yes, I can, even today, these boxes are waiting for it:

But I won't do it since the maximum price is a measly 500m, and the production cost is 420m, 80m remains, mins 35% tax and 50m remains.
Who will produce it for 50m when I have 1b from trash in 1 hour.
If PA increases the price to 5-10b, I will start production immediately.

Conclusion: I'd rather let it lie and rot than sell it to another player for pennies (yes, I know, I'm a bad person).
But it's PA's fault. If I could earn as much from crafting manos and other in-game activities as I do from trash, I would do it.

Last Edit : Apr 13, 2024, 13:27 (UTC)
# 46

Im speachless...this is just nex level of......

Last Edit : Apr 13, 2024, 15:52 (UTC)
# 47
On: Apr 11, 2024, 16:07 (UTC), Written by Findubar

The only good thing about godr is its much cheaper cron cost if you buy it tet to smash crons into it. 

With this pity system i should have at least 20 Pen attempts on bs weps since this year. Im more curious how many i have than the system itself lol.

Yes, but there is one catch (or rather three).

1. BS pen has a greater chance of success on the same FS (not much greater and both are close to zero, but still greater), also: it's generally easier to get BS tet than godr tet, and BS tet is much cheaper to buy than godr tet:


2. First you have to get this godr from 0 to tet which is difficult and expensive.

3. Godr requires 50 failures for guaranteed enchantment.

Let's count: 50 x 1820 x 3m = 273b vs 440b for BS, but still twice as expensive as the price of a BS pen in the market, i.e. 130b. Let's add the price of godr tet from the market (to take a shortcut, i.e. without the stand-alone enchantment), so 43b.

We have:

BS pen from market = 130b

BS pen from godr tet to pen Ancient Anvil enhancement = 316b

BS pen from BS tet to pen Ancient Anvil enhancement = 440b.

Last Edit : Apr 13, 2024, 16:23 (UTC)
# 48
On: Apr 13, 2024, 12:08 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud

Back to topic : I don't think the Anvil system is bad, it's the whole gamble which is already a trap, in fact. At best, only the unlucky one may ultimately be tempted to use the CS for the missing crons and reach the guaranteed success.

But most players will either refuse the gamble and buy directly (and this is possible for many items) or go down the gamble road while being prepared to spend more than the CS price.

But in any case :

- nobody will directly target the guaranteed success, it's only a safeguard for unlucky players (and in that sense, it is not a bad addition, that's the whole system before that which is predatory) 

- it makes no sense to calculate the price of the item after failing many times, players know they are gambling and it may end up more expensive. That's precisely the idea of a gamble, if players could know the result beforehand, they would choose the cheapest method, obviously. XD

Thanks for your constructive comment on this topic, but if enchantment is a trap, why bother with it?

We are dealing here with truly huge amounts of money. It's not an hour of gaming or one day of gaming, it's hundreds of hours.

This is the primary reason I bought most of my items. 

However, I would prefer to do them myself.

Unfortunately, with such a low chance of success and the enormous costs of attempting an enchantment, it makes no sense.

With an FS of 243, there should be a 70-80% chance of success, not 3-5%, because 10 fails exceed the value of the resulting item, and with a chance of success of 3-5%, 10 fails in a row is 100% realistic.

Final conclusion: for the Ancient Anvil enhancement system to make sense, the cost of enchant with crons must be reduced to such an extent that the final guaranteed enchant is equal to the price in the market, and not as it is currently: 4 times higher.

And a bonus at the end. I wonder why so many people in my topic do not understand it, while life skill players in the topic of enchanting manos accessories using the Ancient Anvil system, where the same calculations were presented, crushed this new system:
https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/Forum/ForumTopic/Detail?_topicNo=54504&_page=1

Looking at who spoke on my topic, I see that they are obviously the same people as always, who appear on the forum just to bite me, instead of analyzing the facts.

Last Edit : Apr 13, 2024, 16:33 (UTC)
# 49
On: Apr 13, 2024, 15:52 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

Yes, but there is one catch (or rather three).

1. BS pen has a greater chance of success on the same FS (not much greater and both are close to zero, but still greater), also: it's generally easier to get BS tet than godr tet, and BS tet is much cheaper to buy than godr tet:


2. First you have to get this godr from 0 to tet which is difficult and expensive.

3. Godr requires 50 failures for guaranteed enchantment.

Let's count: 50 x 1820 x 3m = 273b vs 440b for BS, but still twice as expensive as the price of a BS pen in the market, i.e. 130b. Let's add the price of godr tet from the market (to take a shortcut, i.e. without the stand-alone enchantment), so 43b.

We have:

BS pen from market = 130b

BS pen from godr tet to pen Ancient Anvil enhancement = 316b

BS pen from BS tet to pen Ancient Anvil enhancement = 440b.

Wierd. To me making TET Godrd was way way way easier to making TET BS. And on top of that something you missed TET godrd have better stats than TET BS. TO me making PEN Godrd is way better than PEN BS. Both if you use crones or not. But who Im to argue with BDO enciclopedia. Im just a realy casual player who made two chars 719 and 650 GS mostly with enchancing. And you keep sayin its imposible. I guess Im doin something wrong ;)

Last Edit : Apr 13, 2024, 16:33 (UTC)
# 50
On: Apr 13, 2024, 12:43 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

I know many who also had a lot, used it all, lost it all and stopped playing bdo.

Two pen BS and what next? Where's money for fallen god set, deboraka, manos?

This is just one of a dozen or so such warehouses I have, waiting for PA to make it worthwhile to process these materials.
Trash is now worth so much that absolutely all of this material has become worthless.

Eg. I have 1800 scorched fragments. I know that many players wants to buy them all the time. But I won't sell them for 3.5m each when I can turn them into manos accessories worth 200m each. There is only one problem: this is how I earned billions from it 2 years ago, it made sense then. Currently, if you can earn 1b in an hour from trash, further production of manos accessories does not make sense. Calculate how long it will take me to melt ore into pure crystals (including craft metal solvent), produce essences, and barter to exchange coins for manos stones. And sometimes PA will organize an event, give everyone a manos box and price will drop by 50%.

Or another example: do players want kutum lamps or nouver statue? Yes, they want:

Can I produce them?
Yes, I can, even today, these boxes are waiting for it:

But I won't do it since the maximum price is a measly 500m, and the production cost is 420m, 80m remains, mins 35% tax and 50m remains.
Who will produce it for 50m when I have 1b from trash in 1 hour.
If PA increases the price to 5-10b, I will start production immediately.

Conclusion: I'd rather let it lie and rot than sell it to another player for pennies (yes, I know, I'm a bad person).
But it's PA's fault. If I could earn as much from crafting manos and other in-game activities as I do from trash, I would do it.

For sure, if you keep collecting things, don't want to process them, never have any afk/semi afk times, and basically refuse to sell because it's "pennies", it's difficult. 

But this time, you're the only culprit for your own difficulties.

And after 2 PEN BS, you do the remaining parts. Because, like it or not, many players found the way to get at least 2, if not 3 fallen god parts, one or 2 BS, decent PEN accessories (if not debo), without spending their whole life and money in BDO.

And if you want all BiS items for combat AND lifeskills (you mentioned Manos, were you meaning PEN ones?), maybe you're too greedy for you own sake.

The "what next? " is precisely the idea. 

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