That's why Arsha exists, none of those rules apply.

Persinally i think arsha logic is flawed. 

Let's pretend, for example that a gvg is gonna happen in old bdo.

Two dudes roughly the same gear beefed it out at a spot, and it erupts into guild drama. Their guilds start talking shit heavily to one another.  But one guild is clearly weaker so they dodge, they dodge, they dodge. But they keep running their mouth. That guild SHOULD BE able to be hunted by the other guild I highly doubt the dodging guild is gonna go to arsha.

Why would they? Many (western) players do not want consensual pvp. So its not very surprising. Arsha's design is not to blame its the players. Westerners tend to only want pvp when they have some form of advantage i.e they are the dominant force, surprise attack, maybe better at playing the game than the person they are attacking. 

Well, if it is easier for you to assume that people here are lying all the time, I really do not see a reason why you even respond to anything. Your comparison does not work. Really. I have a sample of many hours without anyone grinding over me at the TOP spot. And you are trying to compare that with what you did or did not do? What? I did not say KS does not exist. But people here blow it out of proportion. If it was so severe a problem as they make it, I would notice during all this time grinding for 200 embers.

Start on Arsha, end on Arsha! If they leave Arsha, who cares! Would be cool if they further increased Arsha drop rate. It's funny how people talk about Arsha excuses, but they seem kinda salty you can get higher drops there. Arsha is... not popping lol. It wasn't when I was playing, at least.

If you want Ow PvP, juice arsha rewards. Yeah, the biggest zergs and best geared players run Arsha, just like they run every Ow PvP game. Doesn't mean you can't have fun in the margins.

If they are gonna go so far in on regs and nerfing pvp, they should make Arsha more interesting. Would be nice to get some rewards like you know how garmoth spits fire and a box appears, imagine on arsha if like 1/1000 times you killed a player, a box would appear haha. Obviously would need some safeguards for exploits. Stuff like that, though, just need imagination.

Arsha is fine. You are gonna meet the most geared people cuz they paid to be invincible. Good on em.

But I think they need to buff rewards enough that you have time to pvp and grind and still get close to equal gains, and the people who can hold it are rewarded.

There are spots where you can get pvp on Arsha. Not always, but most of the time...

You totaly miss the point. But no surprise...

It depends. I've noticed people have respect for you if you are farming hard. If you are farming trash, people will come in and kill you or farm over you. If they see you just blasting mobs out, there isn't even a good chance to step in and KS. A tight rotation = mobs are down until you are there. Some people run a pretty tight rotation, and I admit to having griefed people's rotation if they annoy me.

I support 'first come' in terms of grinding, but if someone comes in and is obviously farming way more effectively than me, I am not really mad that they take my spot. Mostly people kill me though cuz they can't haha. But if they don't spawn camp me, I'll be back in the spot, doing my thing.

They could easily make it so that a mob you tag can only be hit by you or someone in your party until you die. That would help vs people grinding directly over you. Even with PK, you can't keep someone from griefing your rotation. I assume it 'feels good' to people to kill those who are doing it, but it still ruins your effiency even if you are one shotting them. The whole "I need to do my rotation uninterrupted and put it into garmoth and show I made x silver per hour" is a toxic mindset. Boring.

The real crime of BDO is not being able to progress by just doing pvp. If both life skill and pvp character progression was on par with pve. The game would be way better. Give players options, just don't force them to run in circles killing mobs to progress their characters.

I have so many issues with this sentiment. 

Firstly while I agree that ranked or structured pvp should be "Fair"  we as gamers have fallen so far from who we were in years past needing entitling to be fair.

Why would an open field fight be fair?

Using your examples of an advantage.

Ambushes and suprise attacks are literally an element of open world pvp

 Are suprise attacks on an enemy guild not fun? 

Skill as an advantage? Lol Is there not going to typically going to be someone "better at playing the game" in any fight? It's not going to be often that you run into a dead even match up. 

And a dominant force? Is that not the point of creating a strong guild or group?

I know this is a played out take but what is the the point of grinding for gear If yo6 and your buds can't stomp the opposition? To only to grind stronger mobs later?

And this whole consent thing is so damn lame first if all we've gone too far if we're using the same word tracks for pvp as sexual assault. Second how far are we going to take consent... you could literally apply that cringe logic to anything.  I never consented to having mango bay and their 50 horse wizard nuke my ass but it happened. I never consented to being pushed off gatekeepers when that was the money thing. I never consented to allowing <Man Up> to hold Valencia for 54 weeks.  I've not once consented to having the zerg guilds run me down at every damn fallen gods spot. But all of those things happened and they were the essence and soul of bdo and they made me want more gear.

They have a lot of terms for people who want everything to be fair,  cry about losing fights, karma bombers, reporting people for pvp etc. 

How we went from a carebear being a negative and a small faction to the majority blows my mind.  

Lastly open world fights are supposed to be organic stemming from happenstance, toxic rivalry or drama. Yes arsha is good, its for people looking for pvp.  Agreed. But it is not the same.  

I know its maybe just my take but it's sad to see the game that literally made a forced pvp system and a town for negative karma players collapse under the pressure of cry babies and share holders

Nope, it's all about having owpvp but with rules preventing ANY type of griefing. 

So this "predator" answer is just the usual simplistic answer we hear from people who basically don't even want to understand what we're asking for, and blame us at all costs.

It's BDO devs who initially chose this gamedesign and attracted players with it ; none here is allowed to blame us for asking devs to keep their initial gamedesign and make a proper owpvp with good rules.