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# 271
Écrit le : 3 mai 2021, 10:33 (UTC), par : Sadalsuud

Seasons came pve and gear restricted. You can try to isolate this fact,

The only fact i isolate is your fallacious logical association attempt.

Already re-stated the season goal. here :

Écrit le : 1 mai 2021, 09:13 (UTC), par : Woots

Dont you understand that Tuvala aim new players / players with low GS ( as it was displayed in the lastest calpheON with the BIG majority of players with a "low" Gear Score ? was it like 60++% or something, forgot the exact value )

As such its a form of catch up mechanic allowing players to go to a certain gear score to make them have access to more advanced "grind spot" + new class at level 61, so more income potential compare to "without tuvala". Also more ease to have them start ( if they would ever do so ) work on the new powercreeped gear ( PEN - Caphra level - black star - death god ) as the powercreep slider keep move up.

 

So OF COURSE its going to have some limit that will not make ""veteran"" very interested by.

 

therefore there is nothing abnormal of having GS limitation, the only thing still not working is your attempt at associate pve and the catch up GS limitation

Its only the 3rd time you try the same thing and you are prooved wrong ( as for a change you never have any argument to bring on the table )

Want to try another time just in case in the mean time the reality change ?

 

Écrit le : 3 mai 2021, 10:33 (UTC), par : Sadalsuud

 From the start players couldn't get access to the high level pve on season server. You wanted a rework for a pure pve setting? Well, you got it.

Strange coincidence? I don't think so, that is far more plausible than any interpretation you tried to make with owpvp and its importance in the game system.

Ofc, because :

Écrit le : 1 mai 2021, 09:13 (UTC), par : Woots

As such its a form of catch up mechanic allowing players to go to a certain gear score [....] Also more ease to have them start ( if they would ever do so ) work on the new powercreeped gear ( PEN - Caphra level - black star - death god ) as the powercreep slider keep move up.

Its only a very classic evolution of any ( is bdo the only "game" you ever played ? ) grindfest gear powercreep based mmo to make "new players" "directly jump" to a certain state so to have them "concentrate" of the lastest gear state also state creating the most expense. ( hello very low success rate for PEN / black star, and huge amount of silver / grinded needed for caphra level )

 

You, again just try to ignore a BDO reality to focus on a fallacious logic as you cant have any valid argument to help your narrative ( on top of the ones you try to dodge since WEEKS )

. Told you several time already, you really arent smart enough to have that work.

 

Écrit le : 3 mai 2021, 10:33 (UTC), par : Sadalsuud

  than any interpretation you tried to make with owpvp and its importance in the game system.

 Just a simple reality, more than easyly observable if you play the game.

No SystemS behave differently if forced pk is used or not ( same amount of mobs, sames mobs, sames mobs position, same loots, same xp/sp, same rng, same life skills etc etc ).

All systemS between olivia / seasons / "classic channels" are the exact same ones and none of their functionment was altered nor changed. ( all life skill are the same, all grind spots are the sames, quest are the same ( EVEN THE LEVEL 50 ONE )

 

Doesnt matter if you keep want to cover your ears to not hear that as you want to remain in your fantasy, but the BDO reality isnt the one you dream about.

 

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Last Edit : May 7, 2021, 09:22 (UTC)
# 272
 
Écrit le : 3 mai 2021, 10:24 (UTC), par : Werbs

First off, stop quoting yourself in every post you make what you are trying to convey really hard to understand.  Second I realize that English is not your first language but a bunch of what you are saying makes zero sense even reading only what you didn't quote.  Care to try again with a different wording, because what you are writing is really hard to understand.

 

Also you might want to look up the term STRAWMAN because you clearly do not understand it's meaning based on how you are using it in your arguments.  Again this is most likely due to the fact that English is not your first language, so i'm not trying to fault you or shame you, just trying to have a clearer discussion.

First off maybe ppl should answer simple question instead of dodging and strawmaning around.

My questionS also would help them to make a indisputable point regarding the forced pk, but strangely they never have any single argument.

I see nothing hard to understand, and i will not write again what i've already wrote already as the point doesnt change when thoses forced pk lover try to hide how they lack of arguments to demonstrate their own point.

 

Second, if you have issue with my english, offer a correction, ask what you dont understand ( and show you are attempting to understand ), or ask if you correctly got the meaning,

Instead of beeing useless and say : your english is bad"  It bring nothing substantial on the table and only look like whatever random attempting at a personal attack.

 

From what i've saw  about strawman definition its fine for salsud. Otherwise, bring something and explain what you have in mind.

 

I will just for that time offer your the benefit of the doubt regarding if you are not just another random trying to turn that personal ( as if it would change anything to what i'am underlining : thoses forced pk lover have no arguments ) But you want to have somes substance in your next answer.

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Last Edit : May 7, 2021, 09:16 (UTC)
# 273
Écrit le : 7 mai 2021, 08:47 (UTC), par : Woots

The only fact i isolate is your fallacious logical association attempt.

Already re-stated the season goal. here :

 

therefore there is nothing abnormal of having GS limitation, the only thing still not working is your attempt at associate pve and the catch up GS limitation

Its only the 3rd time you try the same thing and you are prooved wrong ( as for a change you never have any argument to bring on the table )

Want to try another time just in case in the mean time the reality change ?

 

Ofc, because :

Its only a very classic evolution of any ( is bdo the only "game" you ever played ? ) grindfest gear powercreep based mmo to make "new players" "directly jump" to a certain state so to have them "concentrate" of the lastest gear state also state creating the most expense. ( hello very low success rate for PEN / black star, and huge amount of silver / grinded needed for caphra level )

 

You, again just try to ignore a BDO reality to focus on a fallacious logic as you cant have any valid argument to help your narrative ( on top of the ones you try to dodge since WEEKS )

. Told you several time already, you really arent smart enough to have that work.

 

 Just a simple reality, more than easyly observable if you play the game.

No SystemS behave differently if forced pk is used or not ( same amount of mobs, sames mobs, sames mobs position, same loots, same xp/sp, same rng, same life skills etc etc ).

All systemS between olivia / seasons / "classic channels" are the exact same ones and none of their functionment was altered nor changed. ( all life skill are the same, all grind spots are the sames, quest are the same ( EVEN THE LEVEL 50 ONE )

 

Doesnt matter if you keep want to cover your ears to not hear that as you want to remain in your fantasy, but the BDO reality isnt the one you dream about.

 

 

If forced pk is used on you and you die, your kill speed becomes zero.

 

If forced pk is restricted, your kill speed tends to same number due to kill stealing.

 

In a game where kill speed is the point, both look like fundamental variations of gameplay to anyone owning a brain.

 

We all still don't understand how you can be blind to such a simple concept, while managing to open your mouth about covering ears and telling your oponents they live in a fantasy world. We told you this for litteral years.

Last Edit : May 7, 2021, 09:25 (UTC)
# 274
On: May 7, 2021, 09:16 (UTC), Written by Smileybones

 

If forced pk is used on you and you die, your kill speed becomes zero.

 

If forced pk is restricted, your kill speed tends to same number due to kill stealing.

 

In a game where kill speed is the point, both look like fundamental variations of gameplay to anyone owning a brain.

 

We all still don't understand how you can be blind to such a simple concept, while managing to open your mouth about covering ears and telling your oponents they live in a fantasy world. We told you this for litteral years.

And yet he will refuse to see it. And I bet he will call you stupid and continue for one more month to ask where is your response. Poops is strange case indeed :)

Last Edit : May 7, 2021, 11:36 (UTC)
# 275
Écrit le : 7 mai 2021, 09:16 (UTC), par : Smileybones

 

If forced pk is used on you and you die, your kill speed becomes zero.

 

If forced pk is restricted, your kill speed tends to same number due to kill stealing.

 

In a game where kill speed is the point, both look like fundamental variations of gameplay to anyone owning a brain.

 

We all still don't understand how you can be blind to such a simple concept, while managing to open your mouth about covering ears and telling your oponents they live in a fantasy world. We told you this for litteral years.

 

Hey Dodging Bones, btw, arent you one of the guy unable to explain his own premise btw ?

Like, didnt you ran away when i requested you to explain : What BDO systems requier forced pk to function ?

 

In a game where kill speed is the point ? says who ? PA official words ? Dont BDO players have a general consensus saying that BDO isnt a race but a marathon, so that BDO is a "sandbox" ( therefore your entier "its the point" just doesnt hold, as player "do what they want like they want" ) ?

So why suddently care about kill speed like if it was the "new only thing that matter in BDO" ?

That's strange.

You will need to run some deeper explanation and demonstration about what you try to present ( like the premise you never was able to explain ) as the all mighty truth & reality.

 

Also mr strawman-bis, what do it change to :

- Tuvala still isnt bound to "forced pk disabled" setting ( not because they happen in the same channel doesnt mean they are bound, or else, do because you have car & dogs in the same city mean car are related to dogs ? )

- Tuvala still is used as "limited catch up" , because :

Écrit le : 7 mai 2021, 09:11 (UTC), par : Woots

a very classic evolution of any ( is bdo the only "game" you ever played ? ) grindfest gear powercreep based mmo to make "new players" "directly jump" to a certain state so to have them "concentrate" of the lastest gear state also state creating the most expense. ( hello very low success rate for PEN / black star, and huge amount of silver / grinded needed for caphra level )

Or a "bridge" to the next powercreep stage with the "Seasons Boss Gear Exhange coupon" ?

 

 

Are you supposed to demonstrate somthing related to corrected fallacious logical attempt from Mr Strawman, DodgingBones ?

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Last Edit : May 7, 2021, 12:12 (UTC)
# 276
On: May 7, 2021, 11:27 (UTC), Written by Woots

 

Like, didnt you ran away when i requested you to explain : What BDO systems requier forced pk to function ?

 

As has been pointed out to you many many times before, that you just keep rejecting, the "system" you refer to is the fact that inorder to progress any further than level 49 you need to opt into "forced pvp".  No one is requiring you to kill other players, but they are requiring you to be killable by other players.

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Last Edit : May 7, 2021, 12:23 (UTC)
# 277

Hey woots...

Link to BDFoundry, patch note 2021-05-07

 

And now that additional power have been given to victims, I would not be surprised if they rework the system to prevent "karmabombing", as they mentioned, it is a problem.

 

So much work for something that is not required by the game system... Right? 

Last Edit : May 7, 2021, 12:46 (UTC)
# 278
Écrit le : 7 mai 2021, 12:23 (UTC), par : Sadalsuud

 

So much work for something that is not required by the game system... Right? 

So ? it show they will finaly release the bounty system after 5years. 

 

yet change indeed nothing to what i've said. Nothing requier forced pk to function

 

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Last Edit : May 7, 2021, 13:03 (UTC)
# 279

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Last Edit : May 7, 2021, 12:53 (UTC)
# 280
Écrit le : 7 mai 2021, 12:12 (UTC), par : Werbs

is the fact that inorder to progress any further than level 49 you need to opt into "forced pvp".

Wrong, to progress any further you only need to complet the quest. Olivia & Seasonal have the same quest, but dont have forced pk.

The quest is then not a "pve system" ( which then its wrong as that quest doesnt represent the entier questing system ) in need of forced pk to function.

 

The quest just need you to validate the quest ( & that quest even was totaly removed from the main quest line to just be a random standalone quest bound to no story line )

 

You still then have nothing to answer my questionS ( even the one you try to dodge implying you dont understand my english, or that its too hard for your brain to handle answer with quote )

You know, thoses ones  :

Écrit le : 29 avr. 2021, 13:54 (UTC), par : Woots

Do you have arguments based on BDO functionment to demonstrate why players should be forced to accepte forced pk when it bring nothing at all on a systemic game level.

Or contradict :

On: Apr 29, 2021, 13:54 (UTC), Written by Woots

BDO doesnt resolve around owpvp like ArcheAge for exemple.

 

BDO :

No pve systems need forced pk to function ( hello Olivia & seasonal where no systems at all was reworked & changed, all spot & life skills behave the exact same way )

forced pk bring nothing at all ( no xp, no drop, no sp, no particular pve advantage = no more mob spawn, not more loot etc etc )

 

 

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