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#Gameplay_General
PvP vs PvE...is there anything we can agree on?
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# 121
On: May 1, 2021, 13:11 (UTC), Written by GrayLady

HAHAHAHA My "credentials" don't add up?

 

Have you ever thought that maybe I choose to play differently than you?

You do not know me. You do not know anything about me, my gear, or where I "grind." Thanks to this response, I do know something about you. Instead of replying and giving me honest, intelligent comparitive reasoning, you choose to attack me and how I play. Niiiiiiiiiiice. 

 

So what if I don't have a 62 character? I don't care if you think I farm "low areas." I don't have to prove anything to a dude on a forum who thinks it's better to attack a person instead of reasonably arguing a debate topic. Geez... 

his comment about your credentials was not meant as an insult to you but as a barb to peace in regard to another tread. 

Last Edit : May 4, 2021, 23:21 (UTC)
# 122
On: May 4, 2021, 22:25 (UTC), Written by Altos

his comment about your credentials was not meant as an insult to you but as a barb to peace in regard to another tread. 

Actually both.  If you remove all Grayladies emotions and focus on the facts, they are clear.  For one the math doesn't add up.  That alone is enough for case closed.  You can't be in defiance of basic math.

 

For example if I said I grind Stars End 7 hours a day making 5k trash loot and never die, always on my level 58........... that doesn't make sense.  The exp gained would automatically level the player to 59 and beyond by default.  The claim is simply faulty or some nefarious method is used (such as dying off all the exp which is why I included never die).

 

It's important in the example because if you are not grinding specific regions you will not have the same results.  You can farm Shultz all day without issues.  If you move into Hadum, Star's End, Syc or whatever are the current top producing end game locations that is where the issues arise.

 

So it's useless to camp some under utilized area and make claims like "I never get asked to DFS".  This MAINLY APPLIES to those regions and THAT is the issue most people are talking about.  Especially in regards to DFS.  This may also include potion piece areas etc.

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# 123
On: May 4, 2021, 18:32 (UTC), Written by Illrep3

I don't think you understand at all.    The whole reason that everyone else has ABSOLUTELY HAD IT with PvP in this game, is because the Game itself isn't even built to allow skill to Shine through... not even the slightest.   It wasn't 1-sided because of the reasons you think it was.  It was 1-sided because of TECHNICAL and Mathematical problems that the Developers aren't even interested in knowing Exist outside of their MMO-noLifing highest-Broadband-Speed anywhere Illinois-sized-Penninsula.

 

This guy sums up the Best example I could point to    (but there's tons more if you have any experience at all OUTSIDE of MMORPGs)

 

Oh please D-sync and Input lag are why you say PvP is bad?  We're talking millisecond gaps in SA/I-frame.  That "BIG GAP" where SA starts Client side vs Server side is 0.2 seconds, when in reality it's offen times less than that, because this guy is basing his numbers off a 200 ping, not a 20-50 ping which would be 0.02 to 0.05 second gap.  The guy's math looks pretty, until you actually do it and realize that that massively long bar is only 1 second and based on a 200 MS ping.

 

Good example of someone who doesn't know the game crying.  Thank you.

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Last Edit : May 5, 2021, 00:42 (UTC)
# 124
On: May 4, 2021, 22:01 (UTC), Written by Vulpin

RNG is RNG though. there is a 0.000001 chance of failing a 90% chance to succeed 100 times in a row. But it still possible just cause the chance for i to occur isn't high doesn't mean it not possible. So you can't use RNG in your favor cause RNG does what RNG wants you have no say if we did everyone would be in full PEN years ago.

Yes there is a 0.00000239% chance that it will fail the 100th time in a row.  However if you just grind up and place an order on a Pen item there is a 100% chance you will get it.  So your cry about RNG in BDO is outdated and wrong.

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Last Edit : May 5, 2021, 00:47 (UTC)
# 125
On: Apr 30, 2021, 18:40 (UTC), Written by Retteo

You don't even have a level 62 character yet you claim to be primary a PVE player.  This would suggest not only do you not PVE, but you do it incredibly ineffectively and are most likely doing lower areas.

How did I miss this gold comment from a person who doesn't even play the game.  Love the hypocrisy from Retteo here.  

 

On: May 1, 2021, 13:11 (UTC), Written by GrayLady

HAHAHAHA My "credentials" don't add up?

 

Have you ever thought that maybe I choose to play differently than you?

You do not know me. You do not know anything about me, my gear, or where I "grind." Thanks to this response, I do know something about you. Instead of replying and giving me honest, intelligent comparitive reasoning, you choose to attack me and how I play. Niiiiiiiiiiice. 

 

So what if I don't have a 62 character? I don't care if you think I farm "low areas." I don't have to prove anything to a dude on a forum who thinks it's better to attack a person instead of reasonably arguing a debate topic. Geez... 

 

Ignore Retteo, he doesn't play the game, at least not under the name Retteo, I would put money on him having been banned years ago and is still salty, so he has just trolled forums "to get back at PA"

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Last Edit : May 5, 2021, 07:20 (UTC)
# 126
On: May 4, 2021, 22:01 (UTC), Written by Vulpin

RNG is RNG though. there is a 0.000001 chance of failing a 90% chance to succeed 100 times in a row. But it still possible just cause the chance for i to occur isn't high doesn't mean it not possible. So you can't use RNG in your favor cause RNG does what RNG wants you have no say if we did everyone would be in full PEN years ago.

 

An yes you can contribute luck as a major factor in business success. Saying you can't just tells me you have no experience in a business field. Countless good ideas have failed due to being unluck, countless terrible ideas have succeed from being in the right place at the right time. It literally happens all the time. An it is easily possible to stay successful for 5 years when all your compeititors don't even try to release an MMORPG they just release half ass half finished cash grabs they have no interest in developing past being a beta. An this is especially true in the MMORPG industry were it can take up to 5+ years to make a good MMORPG.

 

And yes BDO ticks many good points but BDO ticks far more bad points than it does good points. There a reason why so many people currently playing BDO say "I'm just waiting for a different MMORPG to replace BDO." They don't say it because it a good game overall they say that because the crab in it is barely when there nothing else like BDO to play.

About the RNG:
First at the current state the game gives you way not to use RNG at all. If you are not a player with you limited time you dont need to enchance at all. And you will get your billions prety easy. If you dont have time to play like me, you can use that algorithm called RNG to make gains. But you have to observe and learn the game. Yes PEN is made not to be easy to enchance but is so damn easy to buy today.

About the bussines and luck:
Yes there is luck like you described. Yes because of luck good ideas can fall. But tell me one bad ideal lasted long because of luck. For my 20 and more expirience in movie and game industry there was no one (person or company) who relay on luck. To have a succesfull bussines you must realay anything but luck. If you relay on luck you are doomed. And yes BDO is still strong not because luck. I also must say that if you dont like a product or its feature, it doesnt mean 100% that its bad. Most of the cases is just a taste.

"I'm just waiting for a different MMORPG to replace BDO." Abot that..
You say many people, I say many people play BDO because they like it, atleast most of the people I talk with. And again, if BDO was realy bad it would fail like the others past 7 years. But it dont. Yes it could be because there is no better combat and OwPvP, but its a choise not a need.

Last Edit : May 11, 2021, 04:46 (UTC)
# 127

I like the idea that if u pvp some1 and they die to monsters within 15 seconds it counts as their kill.

 

As for Karma Bombing, that's legit just an excuse for higher geared players to push out others. They need to keep the karma system as is or the geared will own areas more than they already do. Either out grind or channel swap or take the karma hit.

 

Often see people who hate the karma bombing also hate more servers being implemented or pve channels... but if u just want to push people out to take the spot, what's with issue? 

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Last Edit : May 11, 2021, 04:46 (UTC)
# 128

I like the idea that if u pvp some1 and they die to monsters within 15 seconds it counts as their kill.

 

As for Karma Bombing, that's legit just an excuse for higher geared players to push out others. They need to keep the karma system as is or the geared will own areas more than they already do. Either out grind or channel swap or take the karma hit.

 

Often see people who hate the karma bombing also hate more servers being implemented or pve channels... but if u just want to push people out to take the spot, what's with issue? 

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Last Edit : May 11, 2021, 10:01 (UTC)
# 129
On: May 11, 2021, 04:46 (UTC), Written by Kymaera

Often see people who hate the karma bombing also hate more servers being implemented or pve channels... but if u just want to push people out to take the spot, what's with issue? 

I don't think there is anyone against adding channels, but anyone with half a brain knows that adding channels is not going to happen, what will happen is they will convert existing channels to PvE channels.  Even if a new channel is added, many would rather that new channel be normal not some special rules channel.

 

Lets look at the recent "addition" of the "new Olvia server", that used to be a different server, they didn't add a server.  If they added 5 "Arsha" servers, the community would be up in arms because they would want 5 "normal" servers instead.  

 

On: May 11, 2021, 04:46 (UTC), Written by Kymaera

As for Karma Bombing, that's legit just an excuse for higher geared players to push out others. They need to keep the karma system as is or the geared will own areas more than they already do. Either out grind or channel swap or take the karma hit.

No, high geared players are not using Karma bombing as an Excuse, it's a legit concern.  People go in a rotation that allows the first pack to spawn at the same time the last pack dies, Someone else taking even 1 pack means that you lose time, it's not just "out clearing" it's about wasting a player's buffs and time.  Most rotations consist of 10 packs-20 packs, someone taking 1 of those packs is a 5-10% reduction in your income, taking 2 is 10-20, taking 5 is anywhere from a 25-50% reduction in your grind potential.  That is what people are against.

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Last Edit : May 11, 2021, 22:42 (UTC)
# 130
On: May 11, 2021, 04:46 (UTC), Written by Kymaera

I like the idea that if u pvp some1 and they die to monsters within 15 seconds it counts as their kill.

 

As for Karma Bombing, that's legit just an excuse for higher geared players to push out others. They need to keep the karma system as is or the geared will own areas more than they already do. Either out grind or channel swap or take the karma hit.

 

Often see people who hate the karma bombing also hate more servers being implemented or pve channels... but if u just want to push people out to take the spot, what's with issue? 

Karma Bombing has been a term in this game since Karma was introduced, and it is a valid concern. It's a community created term to define a particular kind of toxic interaction. Here's my personal definition of what KB is:

 

KarmaBombing: When a player instigates a toxic interaction by purposefully negatively affecting another player's gaming experience to a high degree, high enough to coerse another player into flagging for PVP out of the frustration caused by the instigation, this, lowering Karma.

 

An example:  Imagine you are grinding a well-known solo rotation, occupying it for, like 30 mins. Another player enters the rotation and starts hitting mobs. This is not socially acceptable in BDO, by the vastly large part of the playerbase for good reason - solo spots are designed to be solo.

 

You approach this intruder, and try to work it out. You are nice, considerate and cordial. Maybe they are new and don't know the rotations, you may say to yourself. So you go up and kindly explain you're occupying the rotation and asking they leave, even going so far as to let them know when youl be done. They ignore you. You try again, still trying to be nice. They ignore. Over and over again.

 

Most players do not take kindly to this, and for good reason. It is blatant disrespect to do this in this game - don't believe me? Then go to Stars End main rotation and start hitting mobs when someone is occupying it. Ignore them. See what happens.

 

If you think you can roll up to an occupied roto, hit mobs, and expect to be welcomed by sunshine and rainbows, and get offended by someone taking offense to this action - then you are a Karma Bomber. Plain and simple, and true Karma Bombers, like the example I described, are the absolute scum of this game and, if you think rudely intruding one someone is OK, then I hope your guild gets decced by a siege guild and PK every single one of you and your guildies over and over again til you cry uncle.

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