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The karmabombing and mob feeding
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"Daaaam. Those letters be big, mon!" Okay. Seriously. Can you two try not to turn it into a spam fiesta of measuring your stuff? If you have any. :) Also... How about we stop commenting at eachother?
On: Apr 28, 2021, 06:27 (UTC), Written by Werbs
No again, I do not have a problem with being attacked, In fact I never said I was against mob feeding in the first place, I said, and I will say it REALLY SLOW FOR YOUR,
I have no problem with Mob Feeding, PvP, or Karma Bombing, it's part of the game, I think that Both Mob Feeding and Karma Bombing are both Coward's moves, and I can see why people Mob Feed Karma bombers. There also is a huge difference between someone going to random areas and mob feeding, and someone mob feeding someone that just jumps into a grind spot that was already occupied and then proceed to karma bomb after they refuse any and all attempts to settle the issue in a civilized manner.
Can you elaborate more on that? What can be changed from your perspective?
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Apr 28, 2021, 07:40 (UTC)
# 23
On: Apr 28, 2021, 07:13 (UTC), Written by Krastonosezs
"Daaaam. Those letters be big, mon!" Okay. Seriously. Can you two try not to turn it into a spam fiesta of measuring your stuff? If you have any. :) Also... How about we stop commenting at eachother?
Can you elaborate more on that? What can be changed from your perspective?
Well I had to resort to those HUGE letters, because despite saying the same thing multiple times in multiple threads, Vulpin insisted that I said something I didn't and tried to say I said something I didn't.
As for elaboration, the entire Karma system is broken and leads to people exploiting it. On one side you have Karma bombers that ignore requests to solve disputes over grind spots in a civlized manner then when they get attacked and destroyed by the person they were griefing, they end up taking their gear off to dump the Karma of the other person faster. This leads to the other problem where people that notice someone is taking their gear off to dump their Karma and make them go red will instead Chain CC the player and cause them to die to mobs in hopes of breaking crystals and costing the player an XP penalty.
What can be changed? First off someone who dies in PvP needs to have an incentive to not just constantly come back to said grind spot, at the same time the person getting attacked at a grind spot needs protection from someone who tries to feed them to mobs. The Karma System needs an overhaul, rather than Karma being "Grind X mobs to get Karma back" there should be a debuff that turns a player red for X time with various negatives when dying. I have made huge posts on how to rework it, not really going to go into that much detail here. What the player that is getting killed needs is a discouragement from just body throwing at a spot as well. I suggest that a minor XP and stacking respawn timer loss that gets more aggressive the more times you die in PvP, and make this penalty (and all other PvP negatives) negated by using a pearl item to rez or releasing to a place with a storage NPC. Also they need to add at the same time as the rest, that if you have taken PvP damage in the past 10 seconds it counts as a PvP death, if you've taken PvP damage in the past 3 seconds that the death gets charged to the last player who hit that person. And one final point, when someone flags they should be able to be attacked for 10 minutes or the next death whichever comes first with zero penalty provided the player attacking has also flagged up, with one caviat, if a player has attacked another player in the past 10 seconds they can be freely attacked without the other player flagging.
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Apr 28, 2021, 12:50 (UTC)
# 24
+1
I love the level 50 argument, it feels like one of those consolation paragraphs we get from the GM's to excuse some shitty results.
Also, it's realistically the strongest argument because the game itself explicitly tells you about the danger of PVP if you choose this option. GM's would link you to a clip of you accepting the terms and all when you initiate the mission.
Classic comedy.
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# 25
>Mob feeding should be punishable
> karmabombing is right
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# 26
On: Apr 28, 2021, 07:40 (UTC), Written by Werbs
Well I had to resort to those HUGE letters, because despite saying the same thing multiple times in multiple threads, Vulpin insisted that I said something I didn't and tried to say I said something I didn't.
As for elaboration, the entire Karma system is broken and leads to people exploiting it. On one side you have Karma bombers that ignore requests to solve disputes over grind spots in a civlized manner then when they get attacked and destroyed by the person they were griefing, they end up taking their gear off to dump the Karma of the other person faster. This leads to the other problem where people that notice someone is taking their gear off to dump their Karma and make them go red will instead Chain CC the player and cause them to die to mobs in hopes of breaking crystals and costing the player an XP penalty.
What can be changed? First off someone who dies in PvP needs to have an incentive to not just constantly come back to said grind spot, at the same time the person getting attacked at a grind spot needs protection from someone who tries to feed them to mobs. The Karma System needs an overhaul, rather than Karma being "Grind X mobs to get Karma back" there should be a debuff that turns a player red for X time with various negatives when dying. I have made huge posts on how to rework it, not really going to go into that much detail here. What the player that is getting killed needs is a discouragement from just body throwing at a spot as well. I suggest that a minor XP and stacking respawn timer loss that gets more aggressive the more times you die in PvP, and make this penalty (and all other PvP negatives) negated by using a pearl item to rez or releasing to a place with a storage NPC. Also they need to add at the same time as the rest, that if you have taken PvP damage in the past 10 seconds it counts as a PvP death, if you've taken PvP damage in the past 3 seconds that the death gets charged to the last player who hit that person. And one final point, when someone flags they should be able to be attacked for 10 minutes or the next death whichever comes first with zero penalty provided the player attacking has also flagged up, with one caviat, if a player has attacked another player in the past 10 seconds they can be freely attacked without the other player flagging.
"On one side you have Karma bombers that ignore requests to solve disputes over grind spots in a civlized manner "
Do you mean the common, DFS on my superior class even though YOU scoped out a free area and didn't bother anyone, NOW DUEL OR GTFO OUT OF HERE NOW BEFORE I MOB FEED YOU!!!!!
I can't tell which is uncivil can you help me out?
Which one of these players is kind and minding their own business, and which one is a toxic pile of sht?
It must be those damn Karma Bombers, always creatin problems.
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Apr 28, 2021, 17:51 (UTC)
# 27
On: Apr 28, 2021, 06:27 (UTC), Written by Werbs
No again, I do not have a problem with being attacked, In fact I never said I was against mob feeding in the first place, I said, and I will say it REALLY SLOW FOR YOUR,
IF
MOB
FEEDING
IS
PUNISHABLE
THEN
KARMA
BOMBING
SHOULD
BE
PUNISHABLE
AS
WELL
I don't know how I can be anymore clear than that.
I also said.
IF
YOU
DON'T
LIKE
PVP
DO
NOT
GO
BEYOND
LEVEL
49
I have no problem with Mob Feeding, PvP, or Karma Bombing, it's part of the game, I think that Both Mob Feeding and Karma Bombing are both Coward's moves, and I can see why people Mob Feed Karma bombers. There also is a huge difference between someone going to random areas and mob feeding, and someone mob feeding someone that just jumps into a grind spot that was already occupied and then proceed to karma bomb after they refuse any and all attempts to settle the issue in a civilized manner.
Wait lol so both should be bannable, but you activity mob feed others. So your saying you should be banned from the game? Well in that case just delete your account for PA an save them the time lol.
Look even when I agree with him he rages like a toxic man child that shat his 👖 lol.
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Apr 28, 2021, 17:55 (UTC)
# 28
On: Apr 28, 2021, 16:39 (UTC), Written by Retteo
"On one side you have Karma bombers that ignore requests to solve disputes over grind spots in a civlized manner "
Do you mean the common, DFS on my superior class even though YOU scoped out a free area and didn't bother anyone, NOW DUEL OR GTFO OUT OF HERE NOW BEFORE I MOB FEED YOU!!!!!
I can't tell which is uncivil can you help me out?
Which one of these players is kind and minding their own business, and which one is a toxic pile of sht?
It must be those damn Karma Bombers, always creatin problems.
lol he hilarious stupid 24/7. I mean really this a guy who says DFS like deciding who gets to use the pool table at a bar. He compares it to physically assaulting the person currently using an beating each other to death to decide who uses it.
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Apr 28, 2021, 19:39 (UTC)
# 29
Either you discuss things and share your opinions or just don't bother typing. Who is right or who is wrong, it doesn't matter, I'll be throwing reports to the "Зверилник" here, regardless of who started the flaming and who didn't. If you have any personal problems settle them elsewhere. You've been warned.
Again. Either keep the topic clean or use door. Your choice.
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