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People who want PvE servers
Apr 28, 2021, 17:42 (UTC)
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# 161

 

On: Apr 28, 2021, 17:42 (UTC), Written by LuvUlongthyme

Do you guys go to Steak House or BBQ restaurants and demand they start a vegan menu?

 

Honest question.

Really bad assumption here. MMORPGs have traditionally had both PVE/PVP servers so it's not unreasonable to ask for a PVE server in a genre that is known to have that option.

 

To make you look even worse, steakhouses have in fact begun to now serve vegan options (yes, google it). Why? Because restaurant owners have come to realize that meat-eaters have friends/family that are vegans. In short, your assumption here is terrible. Extremely terrible. You should feel bad.

 

 

Last Edit : May 1, 2021, 03:51 (UTC)
# 162
On: May 1, 2021, 03:20 (UTC), Written by Factorial

 

Really bad assumption here. MMORPGs have traditionally had both PVE/PVP servers so it's not unreasonable to ask for a PVE server in a genre that is known to have that option.

 

To make you look even worse, steakhouses have in fact begun to now serve vegan options (yes, google it). Why? Because restaurant owners have come to realize that meat-eaters have friends/family that are vegans. In short, your assumption here is terrible. Extremely terrible. You should feel bad.

 

 

It's a good thing that BDO is not Traditional, where instead of separating the population instead we have PvPvE.  It's the best concept and why I like playing it.  You have options if you don't want to be in a PvPvE game, I suggest you use one of those options instead of trying to take resources away from the rest of the game that actually enjoys PvPvE.

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# 163
On: May 1, 2021, 03:51 (UTC), Written by Werbs

It's a good thing that BDO is not Traditional, where instead of separating the population instead we have PvPvE.  It's the best concept and why I like playing it.  You have options if you don't want to be in a PvPvE game, I suggest you use one of those options instead of trying to take resources away from the rest of the game that actually enjoys PvPvE.

Shit posts someone than instantly shit post someone else lol. Thought you guys like discussions this is great meme.

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Last Edit : May 1, 2021, 05:01 (UTC)
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On: May 1, 2021, 03:57 (UTC), Written by Vulpin

Shit posts someone than instantly shit post someone else lol. Thought you guys like discussions this is great meme.

You know....I can only troll so much before I start to believe that you may actually be mentally ill.

 

Not that it takes the fun out of it, but would explain quite a bit.

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Last Edit : May 1, 2021, 06:22 (UTC)
# 165
On: May 1, 2021, 03:51 (UTC), Written by Werbs

It's a good thing that BDO is not Traditional, where instead of separating the population instead we have PvPvE.  It's the best concept and why I like playing it.  You have options if you don't want to be in a PvPvE game, I suggest you use one of those options instead of trying to take resources away from the rest of the game that actually enjoys PvPvE.

 

Another false assumption. No resources are being taken away nor depleted. The sum resources remain the same with additional PVE servers.

Last Edit : May 1, 2021, 06:47 (UTC)
# 166
On: May 1, 2021, 06:22 (UTC), Written by Factorial

 

Another false assumption. No resources are being taken away nor depleted. The sum resources remain the same with additional PVE servers.

False assumption, you are assuming that they will ADD servers to make servers PvE.  Lets look at the history of PA and Servers. 

Seasons added, Existing Servers changed from normal servers to seasons only servers.

Elvia added, existing servers changed from normal servers to Elvia servers.

 

IF and this is a big IF, PA decided to add PvE only servers while also increasing the total number of servers then it wouldn't take away from existing servers, however those new servers could instead have just been put in as regular servers, which means that resources that would otherwise be spent on the current game are instead being allocated aka depleted to add PvE servers.

 

There is no way to add a PvE server that wouldn't take away from regular servers.

 

Before you bring it up, Yes Arsha exists, no it's not crowded, but the lack of a "crowded" only means there are not as many AFK players doing AFK activities.  Elvia, every spot is over populated when the Crowded tags show up, Stars End Overpopulated, Mirumok there are groups there, All potion spots are what would happen on a "Full" server.  Granted the old spots like Hystria and Aakman are open but they are also open on regular servers as well. 

 

If all AFK activities were allowed to be done offline at a rate of one character per account and only for a 12 hour stint, you would see those "Crowded" tags on a lot of the servers disappear.

Last Edit : May 1, 2021, 07:32 (UTC)
# 167
On: May 1, 2021, 03:20 (UTC), Written by Factorial

 

Really bad assumption here. MMORPGs have traditionally had both PVE/PVP servers so it's not unreasonable to ask for a PVE server in a genre that is known to have that option.

 

To make you look even worse, steakhouses have in fact begun to now serve vegan options (yes, google it). Why? Because restaurant owners have come to realize that meat-eaters have friends/family that are vegans. In short, your assumption here is terrible. Extremely terrible. You should feel bad.

 

 

Except that you're missing one step here.

 

You go to a steakhouse, you order a vegan menu but you ask for a special room for you and other vegan eaters because you can't stand the sight or smell of steaks.

 

Mmorpgs can come in various versions, pve, pvp being only some of the possibilities and not the only 2 relevant points in a game.

But if you go to a pvpve game, let it be pvpve! 

Last Edit : May 1, 2021, 08:28 (UTC)
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Écrit le : 30 avr. 2021, 19:12 (UTC), par : PeaceInChaos

Hey Woots. I've answered this question, as did Sadalsuud and others.

 

"Forced PK", in a PvPvE game setting such as BDO, is required to make the game a PvPvE game. BDO isn't a "PvP game", per se, that would be something like Street Fighter, a game with nothing but PvP (aside from beating up cars in the mini game). BDO isn't a PvE game, that would be something like Sekiro, or Monster Hunter. BDO is a pretty unique game, in that, PvP and PvE have been part and parcel of the BDO experience since day 1. BDO is all about "writing your own story" within a PvPvE setting, and with that, allows players to assume any role they wish - whether they talk to with kindness or pummel everyone they see, everyone has a place in this game world.

 

So by taking the fact that BDO is a PvPvE game, how can one not see how both PvP and PvE would be required?

 

This is not to say things "couldn't" change. Who knows, they might give a PvE server. I don't think KR wants that though. You know PA's track record of catering to KR over the west, which to me is fine, it's their game, but I can see how some people wouldn't like that.



Mr strawman never explained his own premise ( that guy is as empty as my WC once i flushed everything for thoses convo, only able to be a low cost reddit-like level troll ) beside using fallacious logic assiociation, or various "troll attempt" ( things i pretty much all the time corrected ) that are not related at all with pure pve situation.

Imagine thoses pepega tried to use Tuvala as if it was related to a 100% pve situation... Either its a troll, either its a huge pepega mental state unable to recognize such incorrect association.

 

ok cool,What you are throwing is only your personal vision of the game so only personal conception of "how a pve, or pvp, or pvpve have to be", personaly i dont share it, therefore there is still no reason a personal conception should be imposed on everyone.

( and that's why pve channel request, isnt something having as wish to ( unlike forced pk ) be imposed on anyone, its only an additional choice, changing absolutely NOTHING ( as for now no one prooved otherwise ) in your BDO gaming life if you dont pick it )

ESPECIALY because you still have absolutely ZERO argument based on BDO functionement that contradict :

On: Apr 29, 2021, 13:54 (UTC), Written by Woots

BDO doesnt resolve around owpvp like ArcheAge for exemple.

 

BDO :

No pve systems need forced pk to function ( hello Olivia & seasonal where no systems at all was reworked & changed, all spot & life skills behave the exact same way )

forced pk bring nothing at all ( no xp, no drop, no sp, no particular pve advantage = no more mob spawn, not more loot etc etc )

 

And that alone show that forced pk ( as its the system always quested and not others pvp "form" ) is totaly unnecessary for the game ( on a systemic level ) to be ( season & Olivia also show that  as zero systems needed to be reworked ) AND, there is barely no work put on the forced pk in five years to have somes deep-er meaning of it like archeage provide.

 

So as always, its ONLY your personal conception of the game that will make you want to use forced pk ( and whatever cool for you, that's your fun ), BUT as usual, " a particular conception" have no reason to be imposed on anyone at all, especialy when that "conception" is absolutely not needed AT all to have a full and complet BDO experience ( i can do the entier pve without forced pk need, i can do all life skill without forced pk need, i can do all others pvp form without the forced pk need )

 

TL;DR :

Écrit le : 29 avr. 2021, 13:54 (UTC), par : Woots

Do you have arguments based on BDO functionment to demonstrate why players should be forced to accepte forced pk when it bring nothing at all on a systemic game level.

You still have nothing of that.

 

You still only display your personal conception, and still dont contradict the validity of having a CHOICE ( i like to really insist on that word ) to have a BDO with or without forced pk, as its an added value to the game ONLY if you specificaly want to use it / if its your personal "vision"

 

 

 

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Last Edit : May 1, 2021, 08:39 (UTC)
# 169
Écrit le : 1 mai 2021, 07:32 (UTC), par : Sadalsuud

 

You go to a steakhouse, you order a vegan menu but you ask for a special room for you and other vegan eaters because you can't stand the sight or smell of steaks.

 

And most of the restaurant would do so as steakhouse also have side dish.

Also, you are wrong with your  "comparison" as to be correct you should say : No special room would be requested because no one would try to shove meat in your mouth ( as you know outside of that forum ppl are able to understand that having someone trying to force something on you isnt a path to use ), which is why the forced pk create issue among players not like that. (  if there was a "no one can try forced pk on my character" option, i'am sure no one would care to "smell" pk all around )

 

Bad "strawman unable to answer his own premise" corrected.

Oh btw, speaking about strawman & strawman's premise you still havent answer and still try to dodge

Écrit le : 14 avr. 2021, 10:15 (UTC), par : Woots

So again Mr strawman.

 

- Where are your proof regarding pve channels beeing detrimental to BDO

- What pve systems did they changed because forced pk was disabled ? ( like did mob spawn was changed ? did loot was changed ? did xp curve was changed ? ... etc etc )

Écrit le : 14 avr. 2021, 10:25 (UTC), par : Woots

To put another nails in the salsuud strawman coffin

 

Imagine ! one month ago i was already talking about that strawman already unable to argument & demonstrate his premise.

Imagine, that guy since a month still try to dodge

 

 

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Last Edit : May 1, 2021, 08:47 (UTC)
# 170
On: May 1, 2021, 06:47 (UTC), Written by NarcoSleepy

False assumption, you are assuming that they will ADD servers to make servers PvE.  Lets look at the history of PA and Servers. 

Seasons added, Existing Servers changed from normal servers to seasons only servers.

Elvia added, existing servers changed from normal servers to Elvia servers.

 

IF and this is a big IF, PA decided to add PvE only servers while also increasing the total number of servers then it wouldn't take away from existing servers, however those new servers could instead have just been put in as regular servers, which means that resources that would otherwise be spent on the current game are instead being allocated aka depleted to add PvE servers.

 

There is no way to add a PvE server that wouldn't take away from regular servers.

 

Before you bring it up, Yes Arsha exists, no it's not crowded, but the lack of a "crowded" only means there are not as many AFK players doing AFK activities.  Elvia, every spot is over populated when the Crowded tags show up, Stars End Overpopulated, Mirumok there are groups there, All potion spots are what would happen on a "Full" server.  Granted the old spots like Hystria and Aakman are open but they are also open on regular servers as well. 

 

If all AFK activities were allowed to be done offline at a rate of one character per account and only for a 12 hour stint, you would see those "Crowded" tags on a lot of the servers disappear.

 

Again, assumptions without basis. You guys are worried about an imaginary problem with lots of "if this" and "if that" padded in as crutches. Why speculate on the imaginary when it's so fruitless?

 

By now, from every time a new server has been created, you SHOULD know exactly what pearl abyss does. It's so easy that I don't think I even need to explain it to anyone. Just look at past behavior when it comes to introducing different server modes. One thing always remains: there is no net loss of resources, period.

 

On: May 1, 2021, 07:32 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud

Except that you're missing one step here.

 

You go to a steakhouse, you order a vegan menu but you ask for a special room for you and other vegan eaters because you can't stand the sight or smell of steaks.

 

Mmorpgs can come in various versions, pve, pvp being only some of the possibilities and not the only 2 relevant points in a game.

But if you go to a pvpve game, let it be pvpve! 


Someone made a bad analogy and I clearly pointed it out with blunt force. It's indefensible in every way even by any stretch of the imagination. I would have used a much better example like this:  "Hey, people who want PVE servers, do you go to a gun store and demand ice cream to be served?" It's a much, much more poignant allusion. 

 

Even with that said, MMORPGs have included PVE/PVP servers, period. PVE/PVP to an MMORPG isn't something magical/new/radical/controversial, it's just another attribute. It is, literally, in the game. You are defending an erroneous premise from the very start. Why?

 

On a side note: the only place gun stores and ice cream mix are in the USA. When you buy ice cream here, you get seven free guns. fReEdoM!

 

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